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JD Cybotron's avatar

Please Senate Dems block their further funding and be leaders

M F's avatar
Jan 25Edited

This is how America's finest have treated civilians overseas.

We are all Iraqis now.

M F's avatar

The Imperium's genocides are legion.

Grakus's avatar

Or Indigenous Americans. And look how the land and beauty has been decimated.

M F's avatar

All fodder for the Fodderland.

M F's avatar

Pun very much intended.

And did none in Congress wince when W came up with, "Department of Homeland Security"???

Grakus's avatar

No. And it's the least of what that fascist did. Abolish it and all the rest of the invasive, Constitution-destroying "agencies" that fascist created on the back of the "weapons of mass destruction" LIE. But remember, the Senate is allegedly The People's representatives, and The People not only didn't wince; they voted for more.

Hayden's avatar

Very sadly, we can’t expect Republicans to stand up for rule of law now. Accordingly, Democrats must lead.

For Democrats to deny funding to ICE may require shutting down the government. Again. To do this is very costly for our economy, but is still much better for the country than the alternatives that I can see.

Guy Fambrough's avatar

Holocaust survivor running DHS under Biden imported 10 M new undocumented setting stage for This mess in USA !!!

Martha Wisotsky's avatar

You have been sold a pile of bunk & it must have been a very big pile because you are obviously still eating 🥣 it up!!

Fran Carbonaro's avatar

DEFUND ICE. ABOLISH ICE. Broadcast the truth: SHARE THESE VIDEOS.

Guy Fambrough's avatar

Blatent Lies and PROPAGANDA !

Susan Becraft's avatar

This literally made me sick to my stomach. It’s is no different from what I’ve watched the IDF do to Palestinians for years. But nothing will change because we have no opposition party.

Thank you, Ryan. This must have been especially difficult to report.

Anne Marie W.'s avatar

It's not referred to as the "Palestine Laboratory" for nothing.

Susan Becraft's avatar

Sickening, isn’t it. Test and perfect weaponry on the Palestinians before unleashing it on Americans.

Anne Marie W.'s avatar

It really is! When I watched Lowenstein's documentary (The Palestine Laboratory) , I did not consider it might be used in the USA, I was envisioning places like North Korea. Here we are! Not so exceptional anymore. not that we ever were, so provincial, americans - mostly a bunch of angry rubes!

julia eden's avatar

does it make sense to hope for impartial investigations here, and in every other case of what i'd call police state terrorism? or am i just hopelessly naive?

thank you for sharing with us the - ever so tragic ... and just as maddening! - facts on the ground. may alex rest in peace!

david gallardo's avatar

We are ALL Palestinians now!

Ryan, you look tired. Thank you for all you do. Drop Site is so important to our democracy!

Pro humanity's avatar

You can spew as much propaganda as you want, does not change facts.

It also exposes you because you deny Palestinian identity, by referring to them only as Arabs. Because then it will help justify their expulsion from their homeland. Coexistence was not a problem until mostly European Jewish settlers thought to implement the same supremacist policy that they were victims of in Europe to West Asia.

https://youtu.be/ZO4XfSli-KE?si=NQx6e4-f9n7MJHJL

Shoshana Ben-Dor's avatar

Interesting that the FACTs I list are dismissed as propaganda. I guess to you, the relatively new identity of part of the Muslim Levant area as Palestinians (historical documents do not note that identity before the early 20th century, until then all ethnicities in that area were called Palestinians) is more important than the right of the ancient and indigenous Jews to reclaim their sovereignity, as recognized by the Balfour Declaration and the UN partition plan in 1947. I do not deny that Arabs were displaced. So were many Jews, both inside what had been in mandatory Palestine and in all surrounding Moslem countries, with no compensation. I do not approve of the violent actions of some Judean and Samarian settlers. But whereas Jews settled and built their lives in their new/old homeland, Palestinian Arabs have nursed grievances, aided by the fact that the countries to which they fled did not offer citizenship, but kept them in squalid refugee camps. So, you prefer to promote a very non-historical view. I go with history.

Shoshana Ben-Dor's avatar

Try to learn history. If Palestinians stopped terrorism, accepted Israel's legitimate right to exist in its historic homeland and had made peace years ago, we would have no Palestinian deaths. Remember, there were no territorial issues along the Gaza or Lebanese borders, but Hamas and Hezbollah still created attack tunnels, stored arms and attacked.

Ron's avatar

Talk of history? You seem to have no understanding of events in the region since 1948!

david gallardo's avatar

Ron, I think Shoshana probably is smart enough to understand the consequences of Israeli aggression since 1948. Zionists, like Ms Shosho, have no regard for historical facts or the suffering of other peoples. After all, they are Gods chosen people. Period. Yes, they are carrying out a genocide but they are Gods instruments carrying out HIS will. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, their God is money/real estate/land!

Shoshana Ben-Dor's avatar

I definitely do. I am an Israeli. Yes, many Arabs in what was called Mandatory Palestine were displaced. So were a lot of Jews, both within the area defined as Palestine and in almost all the surrounding Muslim countries and North Africa, for which they received no compensation. The Six Day War was started by Egypt and Jordan. I could go on, but that is several books. I have lived through lots of terror attacks and wars here, that we did not start. I am not right wing, believe there should be a Palestinian state, but do see that most conflicts are due to Palestinians and many Muslims refusing to accept our legitimate right to a state in our historic homeland.

david gallardo's avatar

The Six day war was started by Egypt?!!! So it was the Egyptians who fired the first shot and caught Israel by surprise?!!! Yes there are several books but those books do no good if they are not opened and read. But while we are at it, why dont we talk about the Balfour Declaration? Why? Because in the context of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza, it is the PRESENT that is important. According to Israeli press, 80% of Israel supportive of the killing of women and children who pose NO threat to Israel or anyone else. And lets not forget how morally corrupt and sick a society is that condones the raping of prisoners (Gross! You people are Gross!) No, history has no relevance to Israels current crimes because the current slaughter has NO historical precedent! Israel is "beyond the pale" (look that expression up in history books....how ironic). Beyond this historical debate, let the Israel public know one thing; We Americans , of all colors, are strong and proud people. If some tiny minority of ethnocentric terrorists think they can victimize us as they do the Palestinains, then they are underestimating American manhood. The last group of crazies who made that mistake were the Japanese. It didnt turn out well for them.

david gallardo's avatar

Oh yeah Sha Sha, I forgot one historical fact. During that Six Day War, Israel murdered defenseless US sailors on the USS Liberty (Once again proving the Israel has NO allies). More and more Americans are becoming aware of this treachery. We will NEVER forget!

Shoshana Ben-Dor's avatar

Unfortunate that this was not meant to be the major thread, but let's get some facts straight. Because we are indigenous to the land of Israel, but were exiled in 70 CE, it was only just to have the Balfour Declaration issued in 1922, promising a legally recognized return to our homeland. As for the Six Day War, yes, it was begun, when Egypt blocked the Straits of Tiran on 19 May, 1967. As for 1948, again, our War of Independence, due to Arab invasion of the area agreed upon to be divided between the Jewish and Arab states, led to displacement of both Arabs and Jews and to eventual Jewish victory. Jews accepted the partition, the Arabs, who attacked, did not. The one documented case of possible rape of Gazan Hamas prisoners has led to the soldiers suspected of such to be on trial. I do not see any Hamas people being held for trial for the massive well documented rapes that they carried out on 7.10.23 and subsequently to women hostages. Again, if Hamas had not attacked over the border, there would have been no war. I am aware of the survey and regret that so many years of Palestinian violence has created an atmosphere among many of believing that we should be rid of all Palestinians in your territories, or at least those you claim. As for genocide in Gaza, even if the internal Gazan statistics are right, of about 70,000 dead, which includes terrorists, that is .035% of the total population of 2 million. That's genocide? On the other hand, the intent of Hamas on 7.10.23 and the Hezbollah, both previous to and beginning 8.10.23 was genocidal, as is now well documented from documents found in the Hamas and Hezbollah attack tunnels in Gaza and southern Lebanon. The anger most Israelis carry is based on over 100 years of Arab attacks on Jews in the Land of Israel and atrocious acts of terror. Most so called Palestinians have exactly the same feelings about Israelis. Accept us as legitimate, offer to make a fair peace, then we can begin to work on the issues of enmity that both sides have. Oh yes, as for the Liberty, Israel made a very bad error as regards a ship that was mistaken for an Egyptian one during the Six Day War. It should not have happened and our government apologized profusely. I doubt these facts will convince you and wish to end the thread and get back to the original issues in the article.

Julian Mehnle's avatar

Let us guess, you live in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and received $7000 for this posting.

Pro humanity's avatar

There were Palestinian Muslims, Jews, Christian’s, Samarirans & Druze who not only coexisted but thrived and made the desert bloom. People who blame the indigenous population for not accepting a settler colony that believes in its supremacy need to learn history. Let’s start with this documentary on treatment of Bedouins in Israel. https://youtu.be/wRrkLMgAPf0?si=wU8EO2SA01VBUWak

We can also include Tantura massacre, Ramla, Haifa and various others.

Shoshana Ben-Dor's avatar

First of all, get it straight: we are indigenous to the Land of Israel. Do a few studies of Israeli history, archeology, genetics (most of us have Middle Eastern and even Canaanite genes), linguistics (Hebrew is a Semitic language, originally a Canaanite dialect, related to, as far as inscriptions have been found, Phoenician, Ugaritic, Moabite). So, for those who were not in Israel, we definitely returned home. Though many of us could be called settlers, we had our roots here.

Made the desert bloom? When and how? Thrived? When? In fact, until the arrival of the Zionists and establishment of new Jewish communities, the area was a wreck. During WW I, the Ottomans let the country starve. The Ottomans cut down most of the forests for either building or fueling its railroad. There were a number of areas with malarial swamps, and little farming. The last time the desert bloomed was during the Byzantine period. So, yes, as Jewish numbers grew in the Land of Israel, all benefitted, both in terms of agricultural development and eradicating malaria. But after the Ottomans, there was the British Mandate, which after the Balfour Declaration favored the Arabs, usually by limiting Jewish immigration. That can all be checked. As for minorities, today they are mostly doing well. I think you meant Samaritans: they live in Shechem (Nablus) and Bat Yam and seem to be doing well, though they are only a few hundred. Christians are completely free to live their lives, equal under Israeli law. Most are Arab, some are Europeans who settled here. Unlike Bethlehem and Beit Jalla in Palestinian areas, where most of the Christians have fled, yes, fled. We have a very special relationship with the Druze, our brothers in arms, who serve in the army with distinction, reaching high officers' level. When 13 Druze children in Majdal Shams were murdered by a Hezbollah missile, where it had to be purposeful, that was a national tragedy for all of us. When Syrian Bedouin attacked Druze in southern Syria less than a year ago, we sent in soldiers to defend them and first aid, taking their injured into our hospitals. That issue is still not resolved because A-Shaara is not ensuring their safety, as he is not ensuring the safety of the Kurds, exactly the opposite. The issue of the Bedouin in the Negev (southern desert) is very complex because their population has grown and they have set up encampments all over, including in state lands. Both our side and the Bedouin have had conflicts and yes, illegal homes on state land have been dismantled in a most inconsiderate way, usually because they are on state land. Some cities have been set up, Rahat, Kerem Shalom, Tel Sheva etc., but there are tribal conflicts that make it difficult for everyone to live together in them, plus many wish to retain their semi-nomadic way of life, even as they encroach on state land. There are no easy answers here. Nevertheless, some serve in our army and on 7.10.23, many came to save Jews, some being killed or taken hostage in the process and being recognized as heroes. By the way, the large numbers of children that they have is thanks, in part, to the child payments of the Israeli National Insurance.

Ah, yes, it is always possible to note "massacres" of Arabs during the War of Independence. Some are real, some are greatly exaggerated, in some cases, villages were exiled because of the way their residents attacked Jews. There were no massacres in Ramla, Lod or Haifa, but there was expulsion of part of the population. Nevertheless, there are thriving Arab populations today in all of those cities, both Muslim and Christian. But if there is the issue of "whataboutism", it seems you either to do not know or prefer to ignore the Arab massacres of Jews. So, a few of the more glaring examples, beginning after WW I, during which the Ottomans exiled Jews from one part of Israel to another and many starved. In 1920, Arabs attacked Tel Chai and murdered a few of the Jewish defenders. In 1921, riots began in Jaffa and spread to Rishon LeZion, Rehovot, Gedera and Petach Tikvah and 47 Jews were murdered, including the writer Yosef Brenner. Jews had been living in Jaffa for centuries. In 1929, there were mass riots of Arabs against Jews, with mass slaughter of the Jewish community in Hebron, which had existed for a few hundred years. Jews were murdered during the Arab Riots of 1936-1939. During the War of Independence, in which Arab states invaded the Land of Israel, because they rejected the UN Partition plan, that the Jews accepted, I will give only a few examples of slaughter and expulsion: the 35 who wanted to help relieve the siege of the Etzion Bloc, which was conquered by Jordanians, with the survivors either sent to Jerusalem or to prison camps in Jordan, The attacks on Negba and Yad Mordechai, the attacks on the Jewish community in Tsfat (Safed), which had been established by Spanish exiles from the expulsion in the 16th century, with synagogues from that period, the battles that destroyed the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem's Old City, with its survivors expelled and synagogues, some dating to the 17th century destroyed, West Jerusalem was constantly shelled, with people dying, the siege that starved the Jewish community and deprived it of water, the murder of all 78 doctors and nurses in a convoy going up to the Hadassah hospital on Mt Scopus, which served and serves Arabs and Jews equally. So, you can list a few places where Arabs were expelled or killed during the War of Independence. We can list far more where Jews were slaughtered or expelled, in some cases in places they had lived for hundreds of years. So, the story is far from one sided and our roots in the land are far from being settlers. Finally, if you are so concerned about the lives of Muslims, are you concerned about the Kurdish Muslims that Turkey and A-Shaara, its puppet, are slaughtering? About what is going on in Iran today? About the slaughter of the Rohingya by the Buddhists in Myanmar, the Uighurs in China? Those are real cases of genocide against Muslims, in numbers far beyond those killed in the war in Gaza, which, let me remind you, was begun by Hamas.

Marjory Anderson's avatar

Donald Trump mob boss for years. will justice ever be served?

Fran Carbonaro's avatar

Thank you for this reporting, Ryan, Rana & Meghnad. I just forwarded this to a Trump supporter: my late brother's wife. You never know whose mind you can change.

Kathy Boylan's avatar

STOP PAYING FEDERAL TAXES WHICH FUND THE BRUTAL ICE AGENTS. GIVE WHATEVER TAXES YOU OWE TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL,NOT TO THE MASS MURDERERS OF GTHE US GOVERNMENT.

KATHY BOYLAN DC

Teresa's avatar

They'll just freeze your bank accounts, won't they?

Kristi Zea's avatar

This is the start of a second Civil War in this country. This is not a video game or an apocalyptic movie… this is 21st century America under tyrannical authoritarian rule by despots and wannabes.

Pedro Cruz's avatar

I heard about ten shots...is it that hard to kill a nurse?

Nevin Oliphant's avatar

ICE agents sprayed chemical agents in Alex Pretti's face, knocked him to the ground, took his gun away, held him down and shot him several times. INTENTIONAL PREMEDITATED MURDER. JD Vance, Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem are accessories after the fact and must be charged with conspiracy to commit murder

Grakus's avatar

No--you forgot a very important part. One of the agents took out his gun and beat him in the head three times with the butt (which probably killed him) before he was shot. See the video listed below: https://youtu.be/cbxiWpkUEXQ

DHS is apparently recruiting on death row. These are classic psychopath killers.

George Leone's avatar

The video shows a man face-down, pinned by multiple agents, then shot at point-blank range. Calling that a “domestic terrorist” is propaganda, not evidence. This wasn’t self-defense—it was an execution, followed by a cover story. If this is what ICE and CBP call “doing their job,” we’re watching the normalization of state violence in real time.