As Trump scrambles to push his nebulous Gaza plan forward, the Palestinian resistance says Israel is continuing its pattern of abusing “peace” agreements to further its war of annihilation.
"What is happening in Gaza is not a ceasefire, but a lower intensity, slower-paced killing operation by an Israeli regime daring Palestinians to fight back."
Thanks for putting in simple terms the reality of this disaster intentionally mislabeled as a "ceasefire".
I'm also grateful that for the first time in my life I've been given a choice to hear what "the other side" has to say. Living in the US you get one monolithic narrative from the information brokers. Doesn't matter what your politics are, the tone of the message might differ, but the narrative remains the same - USA, wave your flags. Poor Israel. It's always poor, dear Israel. Arabs and Muslims, bad. Always.
So I just want to say thank you to Jeremy and Drop Site for giving us perspectives we otherwise wouldn't even know about, let alone consider.
@AnaG: may i ask, why "death to israel?" when there are israelis - in israel as well as abroad - who strongly oppose the israeli occupation, siege, ethnic cleansing and now genocide of palestinians.
imo, the int'l community should - decades ago! - have made sure that israeli occupation of palestinian territories remain temporary, pursuant to int'l law! the int'l. community also failed to prevent illegal israeli settlements from spreading ever further. israel was never held to account bc the int'l community ... i won't list the number of reasons for its failure to act.
i am appalled that my [EU] country still ships arms to israel, recently even at record level$, and i can only hope that my protesting against them - along with activists from palestine, israel and other countries - will one day, soon, effect changes in my country's policy bc we are sick to see that mass murder is being facilitated "in the name of [my] people"!
your comment ends with "end israel!", i.e on a different note than it started on. in his most recent book, 'israel on the brink. eight steps for a better future.' ilan pappe points out, and i quote from his publisher's summary:
"Israel is becoming a pariah state. Its worst enemy is not Hamas, but itself. [The author] paves a path out of the Jewish state, rooted in restorative justice and decolonization, including the return of refugees, the end of illegal settlements, building bridges with the Arab world. The future can be one of reconciliation, not endless war."
here's hoping that he is right! when i look at my country that takes pride in having come to grips and terms with its past, expansive - and expensive - arms supplies to israel, and rising right wing extremism, among other things, *sigh!*, tell me that not an insignificant number of people drew wrong conclusions from the country's holocaust and WWII past. there's still much work to do moving forward.
sorry for my rather lengthy comment! it looks as though i got carried away a bit ;-) but i do hope i was in no way offensive!
a good question, and my answer might not even remotely be good enough.
one point i tried to make: "death to israel!" targets the entire country, while a number of its citizens disapprove of their government's murderous policies.
re. "death to nazis!": i think, the nazi killing industry should have been disrupted. isn't this, again, a case of an int'l community turning blind eyes to atrocities, for a number of seemingly inexplicable reasons? people outside knew about the death camps, did nothing to shut them down and change a horrific course of events. [am i, again, expecting too much from "the international community"?]
decades after WWII we hoped nazi ideology had died out with its last advocates. now, right wing extremism is re-surging in germany. it even has a political party.
We've seen the polling in Israel this is how we know most people support what Israel is doing. We've seen Israeli genocide tours etc. Unlike World War II Israelis are not hiding their war crimes. I follow people like Ori Goldberg, Jeff Halper. Omer Bartov has said that Israeli society has become so radicalized that he cannot return to Israel because he fears for his life or he could be sent to prison. When you say disrupt the Nazis, what exactly do you mean? Was World War II night raids with massive aerial bombings on Dresden a good example of disrupting?
Some people criticize the night raids because innocent citizens were killed, I don't.
The "international community" I assume you mean International law UN, ICC, ICJ, UN security council has been corrupted by the United States and Israel making it worth worthless.
As far as the international community, the protesters feel as though we have exhausted every peaceful path to ending the genocide, people are dying in prison trying to stop this genocide, what else is there to do peacefully?
When you said the International community was not doing enough to stop Israel, at first I was offended because it sounds like your blaming the International community for what Israel is doing.
But then I thought about it, and you're correct the international community has not done enough, we've tried peaceful negotiation that didn't work. IMO what the International community needs to do is to use military force in Israel (bombing) to stop Israel.
... sorry for my late reaction. [i assume we're not in the same time zone and i just returned from protests against german arms shipments and from a vigil for the prisoners on hunger strike. much too little to prevent looming new catastrophes, much too little to save lives now, i know. but at least we [i.e. the int'l community that is not part of the int'l organizations under US supremacy you mentioned above] all hope to raise public awareness for our longterm endeavor to end the genocide and israeli occupation.]
looking at forensic architecture's latest findings about israel creating new military facts on the ground: if the US and germany STOPPED providing the equipment to continue mass murder, land grabbing etc., bombing would not be necessary, would it?
that can be done peacefully, to answer your question. a difficult task
capitalism and the global north's insatiable hunger for fossil fuels, among other things, are other longterm problems. huge amounts of the world's oil & gas reserves are located in west asia. israel is supposed to safeguard access to them. i'll end here for now to keep my statement short.
[and just as i get ready to press "reply", i see neville's comment.]
I think that if United States stop supporting Israel, Israel would not be able to defend themselves. What the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians decided to do I can't say, but I don't think Israel should be allowed to get away with genocide or the United States.
You attemp to write and reach out to readers in an "on the face of it", polite way. Perhaps you have not overcome the Israeli education system 101 basics, or you are still in denial? "Every neighbour country keeps attacking us"! "What have we done to deserve this"? (currently think, Lebanon, Iran, Doha, Syria, Yemon, Gaza, West Bank, I will stop there.)
It is even worse than you are prepared to conceive. Zionism is like a cancer and the west European contries, many former colonisers themselves, are now inflicted with this serious sickness. Zionism is and always was a crual expansionist ideology from its beginnings in the 1890's. Kill, expel and steal the property of the native inhabitants, because any Israel, just has to be an apartheid, colonising, supremacist political ideology. It is a militarist citizen society where kids are taught to hate arabs as they grow and be prepared for their IOF duties brutalising to the point of genocide. The population of Israel, when polled recently, had no problem with the killing of the entire inhabitants of Gaza being occupied by their army. Neither was the levels of destructive brutal bombing being used, "an issue". They have killed at least 70000 people in 2 years, by day & night delivery of western exlosives. Record numbers of UN staff killed. Record number of journalists killed. Record number of health workers killed. Using IDF own data, 83% of all those killed in Gaza have been non combatants. i.e. Civilian! Since half the Gaza population are children, you do the maths.
In the West Bank and east Jerusalem too, Palestinian women, men and even young children are imprisoned, in the Israeli state repression system.
The Palestinians are, and always were denied their basic human rights and are routinely tortured. Currently an estimated 10 000 totally innocent hostages, are mistreated using rape, neglect, starvation, cold, denial of day light, solitary confinement, continual restraint, beatings, dog attacks, mental trauma and dehumanisation. Gaza was occupied from outside for 16 years. The West Bank is subject to accelerated ethnic cleasing by crimianl land and property thieves supported politically, and essentially terrorised by the IOF who "shoot to kill" kids and leave them to bleed out. This is quite normal IOF behaviour. Live rounds used without thought by the worlds most moral set of armed scumbags. WestBank villages are invaded daily. 40000 people were displaced this year and their homes demolished. Palestinians live in a random check-point monitored land, under military law, where main services are denied or severely restricted. Where homes are demolished, resources are confiscated / stolen, where they have few rights and no protections. So, yes. We can be polite, but only if we can first be honest. Palestine is not your home.
dear neville, i know, palestine is not my home. but i know about the denigration, the disrespect, the unspeakable cruelties palestinians have had to endure for too many decades. books and talks by rashid khalidi, norman finkelstein, andrew lowenstein, max blumenthal, gideon levy, amira hass, ilan pappe, chris hedges, jonathan cook, craig murray, miko peled, gabor maté, the team at drop site news, and many others have raised my awareness.
i know about the brutal conditions in israel's prisons where thousands are held w./o. charge; about the fact that the occupier has been withholding hundreds of dead bodies of palestinians, some for decades, as 'bargaining chips'; about the countless cruel tactics used to decimate the palestinian population, operations "cast lead" + "protective edge" being just two among many more, such as regularly "mowing the grass", the "straw widow tactics", "knocking on roofs", allowing only the humanitarian minimum of calories into the occupied territories, uprooting a million olive trees, stealing and slaughtering sheep, rationing electricity, water ...
not to forget the unimaginably perfidious kind and amount of "battle-tested" weaponry israel prides itself in making, using, and selling to more than a handful of willing buyers around the globe.
i do not mean to be polite. and i have no reason to be dishonest. i am outraged and ashamed that my country has been complicit in it all for decades and has been providing israel with arms & cover. THESE SUPPLIES MUST STOP. and german politicians must finally grow the spines required to confront all the realities on the ground, instead of glossing them over and continuing to assert poor israel's supposed 'right to self-defense'. it takes time to achieve that, alas!
in the meantime, as to bombings, i must honestly admit that i am not sure whether they'd achieve the results we hope for.
Thank you Jeremy and Jawa. The article is a timely summation. The genocidal "murder / theft machine" rolls onward and UN (UNRWA) gets little international support from warped governments to push crutial aid delivery into Palestine. The weather is worsening and hardship for those displaced, and those under seige and daily attack in Palestine and Lebanon continues under the worthless ceasefires. Keep up the top draw reporting that few are covering like DropSite. Resistance interviews / perspective is more enlightening than that of rows of Trump accomplices, imo. The final several paragraphs were worth the whole read.
Your comment suggests you think this conflict began in October 2023. It did not. It began in 1948, or one could plausibly argue it began even earlier, in 1917.
So do the Israelis. Netanyahoo is the worst criminal on earth, and the biggest mass murderer. Of course, the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support him.
I agree with your first sentence. Your second is not true and your third is also incorrect. I’m a supporter of the Standing Together movement. I only wish the movement got more traction. It would, with Netanyahu and his right wingers gone.
The Palestinian Authority, former PLO, renounced violent resistance against Israel years ago. What did that do for the Palestinians? The only way to deal with Israel is with violent resistance. Hamas was more than justified for the violent October 7, 2023 attack on Israel. Hamas didn’t do anything more brutal than what Israel has done to the Palestinians since 1948.
The Zionists have no legitimacy. Thousands of them have committed war crimes and Netanyahu indicted. It's time the international community shows its value and brings them to justice. As for the others they have abused their status as guests in Palestine and should return from whence they came.
That Trump ended the war in Gaza is delusional as Meshaal says. Trump is only looking for a Nobel Peace Prize, otherwise, he wouldn't care about Gaza and the Palestinians. Meshaal also tells us that "the sympathy for Palestinians among Arab and Islamic people" is nearly almost absolute. Well, they haven't demonstrated that.
Netanyahu and Trump are not to be trusted. That is obvious, so why think that they can craft a peace agreement without input from the surrounding Arabic states.
The Arabic and Islamic peoples have to step up to support their brethren.
"What is happening in Gaza is not a ceasefire, but a lower intensity, slower-paced killing operation by an Israeli regime daring Palestinians to fight back."
Thanks for putting in simple terms the reality of this disaster intentionally mislabeled as a "ceasefire".
I'm also grateful that for the first time in my life I've been given a choice to hear what "the other side" has to say. Living in the US you get one monolithic narrative from the information brokers. Doesn't matter what your politics are, the tone of the message might differ, but the narrative remains the same - USA, wave your flags. Poor Israel. It's always poor, dear Israel. Arabs and Muslims, bad. Always.
So I just want to say thank you to Jeremy and Drop Site for giving us perspectives we otherwise wouldn't even know about, let alone consider.
LONG LIVE THE RESISTANCE AND DEATH TO ISRAEL!
I WISH YOU ALL THE STRENGTH TO KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL YOU ARE FREE!
I AM YOUR BIGGEST SUPPORTER! LOVE YOU ALL AND WISH YOU THE BEST!
FREE PALESTINE! END ISRAEL!
@AnaG: may i ask, why "death to israel?" when there are israelis - in israel as well as abroad - who strongly oppose the israeli occupation, siege, ethnic cleansing and now genocide of palestinians.
imo, the int'l community should - decades ago! - have made sure that israeli occupation of palestinian territories remain temporary, pursuant to int'l law! the int'l. community also failed to prevent illegal israeli settlements from spreading ever further. israel was never held to account bc the int'l community ... i won't list the number of reasons for its failure to act.
i am appalled that my [EU] country still ships arms to israel, recently even at record level$, and i can only hope that my protesting against them - along with activists from palestine, israel and other countries - will one day, soon, effect changes in my country's policy bc we are sick to see that mass murder is being facilitated "in the name of [my] people"!
your comment ends with "end israel!", i.e on a different note than it started on. in his most recent book, 'israel on the brink. eight steps for a better future.' ilan pappe points out, and i quote from his publisher's summary:
"Israel is becoming a pariah state. Its worst enemy is not Hamas, but itself. [The author] paves a path out of the Jewish state, rooted in restorative justice and decolonization, including the return of refugees, the end of illegal settlements, building bridges with the Arab world. The future can be one of reconciliation, not endless war."
here's hoping that he is right! when i look at my country that takes pride in having come to grips and terms with its past, expansive - and expensive - arms supplies to israel, and rising right wing extremism, among other things, *sigh!*, tell me that not an insignificant number of people drew wrong conclusions from the country's holocaust and WWII past. there's still much work to do moving forward.
sorry for my rather lengthy comment! it looks as though i got carried away a bit ;-) but i do hope i was in no way offensive!
If this was World War II and the Nazis were killing the Jews, would you be saying the same thing? Would you be upset if somebody said death to Nazis?
a good question, and my answer might not even remotely be good enough.
one point i tried to make: "death to israel!" targets the entire country, while a number of its citizens disapprove of their government's murderous policies.
re. "death to nazis!": i think, the nazi killing industry should have been disrupted. isn't this, again, a case of an int'l community turning blind eyes to atrocities, for a number of seemingly inexplicable reasons? people outside knew about the death camps, did nothing to shut them down and change a horrific course of events. [am i, again, expecting too much from "the international community"?]
decades after WWII we hoped nazi ideology had died out with its last advocates. now, right wing extremism is re-surging in germany. it even has a political party.
We've seen the polling in Israel this is how we know most people support what Israel is doing. We've seen Israeli genocide tours etc. Unlike World War II Israelis are not hiding their war crimes. I follow people like Ori Goldberg, Jeff Halper. Omer Bartov has said that Israeli society has become so radicalized that he cannot return to Israel because he fears for his life or he could be sent to prison. When you say disrupt the Nazis, what exactly do you mean? Was World War II night raids with massive aerial bombings on Dresden a good example of disrupting?
Some people criticize the night raids because innocent citizens were killed, I don't.
The "international community" I assume you mean International law UN, ICC, ICJ, UN security council has been corrupted by the United States and Israel making it worth worthless.
As far as the international community, the protesters feel as though we have exhausted every peaceful path to ending the genocide, people are dying in prison trying to stop this genocide, what else is there to do peacefully?
When you said the International community was not doing enough to stop Israel, at first I was offended because it sounds like your blaming the International community for what Israel is doing.
But then I thought about it, and you're correct the international community has not done enough, we've tried peaceful negotiation that didn't work. IMO what the International community needs to do is to use military force in Israel (bombing) to stop Israel.
... sorry for my late reaction. [i assume we're not in the same time zone and i just returned from protests against german arms shipments and from a vigil for the prisoners on hunger strike. much too little to prevent looming new catastrophes, much too little to save lives now, i know. but at least we [i.e. the int'l community that is not part of the int'l organizations under US supremacy you mentioned above] all hope to raise public awareness for our longterm endeavor to end the genocide and israeli occupation.]
looking at forensic architecture's latest findings about israel creating new military facts on the ground: if the US and germany STOPPED providing the equipment to continue mass murder, land grabbing etc., bombing would not be necessary, would it?
that can be done peacefully, to answer your question. a difficult task
capitalism and the global north's insatiable hunger for fossil fuels, among other things, are other longterm problems. huge amounts of the world's oil & gas reserves are located in west asia. israel is supposed to safeguard access to them. i'll end here for now to keep my statement short.
[and just as i get ready to press "reply", i see neville's comment.]
I think that if United States stop supporting Israel, Israel would not be able to defend themselves. What the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians decided to do I can't say, but I don't think Israel should be allowed to get away with genocide or the United States.
You attemp to write and reach out to readers in an "on the face of it", polite way. Perhaps you have not overcome the Israeli education system 101 basics, or you are still in denial? "Every neighbour country keeps attacking us"! "What have we done to deserve this"? (currently think, Lebanon, Iran, Doha, Syria, Yemon, Gaza, West Bank, I will stop there.)
It is even worse than you are prepared to conceive. Zionism is like a cancer and the west European contries, many former colonisers themselves, are now inflicted with this serious sickness. Zionism is and always was a crual expansionist ideology from its beginnings in the 1890's. Kill, expel and steal the property of the native inhabitants, because any Israel, just has to be an apartheid, colonising, supremacist political ideology. It is a militarist citizen society where kids are taught to hate arabs as they grow and be prepared for their IOF duties brutalising to the point of genocide. The population of Israel, when polled recently, had no problem with the killing of the entire inhabitants of Gaza being occupied by their army. Neither was the levels of destructive brutal bombing being used, "an issue". They have killed at least 70000 people in 2 years, by day & night delivery of western exlosives. Record numbers of UN staff killed. Record number of journalists killed. Record number of health workers killed. Using IDF own data, 83% of all those killed in Gaza have been non combatants. i.e. Civilian! Since half the Gaza population are children, you do the maths.
In the West Bank and east Jerusalem too, Palestinian women, men and even young children are imprisoned, in the Israeli state repression system.
The Palestinians are, and always were denied their basic human rights and are routinely tortured. Currently an estimated 10 000 totally innocent hostages, are mistreated using rape, neglect, starvation, cold, denial of day light, solitary confinement, continual restraint, beatings, dog attacks, mental trauma and dehumanisation. Gaza was occupied from outside for 16 years. The West Bank is subject to accelerated ethnic cleasing by crimianl land and property thieves supported politically, and essentially terrorised by the IOF who "shoot to kill" kids and leave them to bleed out. This is quite normal IOF behaviour. Live rounds used without thought by the worlds most moral set of armed scumbags. WestBank villages are invaded daily. 40000 people were displaced this year and their homes demolished. Palestinians live in a random check-point monitored land, under military law, where main services are denied or severely restricted. Where homes are demolished, resources are confiscated / stolen, where they have few rights and no protections. So, yes. We can be polite, but only if we can first be honest. Palestine is not your home.
dear neville, i know, palestine is not my home. but i know about the denigration, the disrespect, the unspeakable cruelties palestinians have had to endure for too many decades. books and talks by rashid khalidi, norman finkelstein, andrew lowenstein, max blumenthal, gideon levy, amira hass, ilan pappe, chris hedges, jonathan cook, craig murray, miko peled, gabor maté, the team at drop site news, and many others have raised my awareness.
i know about the brutal conditions in israel's prisons where thousands are held w./o. charge; about the fact that the occupier has been withholding hundreds of dead bodies of palestinians, some for decades, as 'bargaining chips'; about the countless cruel tactics used to decimate the palestinian population, operations "cast lead" + "protective edge" being just two among many more, such as regularly "mowing the grass", the "straw widow tactics", "knocking on roofs", allowing only the humanitarian minimum of calories into the occupied territories, uprooting a million olive trees, stealing and slaughtering sheep, rationing electricity, water ...
not to forget the unimaginably perfidious kind and amount of "battle-tested" weaponry israel prides itself in making, using, and selling to more than a handful of willing buyers around the globe.
i do not mean to be polite. and i have no reason to be dishonest. i am outraged and ashamed that my country has been complicit in it all for decades and has been providing israel with arms & cover. THESE SUPPLIES MUST STOP. and german politicians must finally grow the spines required to confront all the realities on the ground, instead of glossing them over and continuing to assert poor israel's supposed 'right to self-defense'. it takes time to achieve that, alas!
in the meantime, as to bombings, i must honestly admit that i am not sure whether they'd achieve the results we hope for.
Thank you Jeremy and Jawa. The article is a timely summation. The genocidal "murder / theft machine" rolls onward and UN (UNRWA) gets little international support from warped governments to push crutial aid delivery into Palestine. The weather is worsening and hardship for those displaced, and those under seige and daily attack in Palestine and Lebanon continues under the worthless ceasefires. Keep up the top draw reporting that few are covering like DropSite. Resistance interviews / perspective is more enlightening than that of rows of Trump accomplices, imo. The final several paragraphs were worth the whole read.
Stand your ground, your soil composed of your flesh, your blood and your bone.
To get President Trump on thier side Hamas should promise to rename Palestine to Trumpestine.
I wouldn’t call it resistance. The Palestinians deserve leaders that aren’t killers.
Your comment suggests you think this conflict began in October 2023. It did not. It began in 1948, or one could plausibly argue it began even earlier, in 1917.
The leaders of the HAMAS resistance movement, are being assassinated by the leaders, of the genocidal US’s zionist proxy, in occupied Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
So do the Israelis. Netanyahoo is the worst criminal on earth, and the biggest mass murderer. Of course, the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support him.
I agree with your first sentence. Your second is not true and your third is also incorrect. I’m a supporter of the Standing Together movement. I only wish the movement got more traction. It would, with Netanyahu and his right wingers gone.
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The Palestinian Authority, former PLO, renounced violent resistance against Israel years ago. What did that do for the Palestinians? The only way to deal with Israel is with violent resistance. Hamas was more than justified for the violent October 7, 2023 attack on Israel. Hamas didn’t do anything more brutal than what Israel has done to the Palestinians since 1948.
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The Zionists have no legitimacy. Thousands of them have committed war crimes and Netanyahu indicted. It's time the international community shows its value and brings them to justice. As for the others they have abused their status as guests in Palestine and should return from whence they came.
Dear AnaG
Free Palestine and end Israel are not helpful mottos.
That Trump ended the war in Gaza is delusional as Meshaal says. Trump is only looking for a Nobel Peace Prize, otherwise, he wouldn't care about Gaza and the Palestinians. Meshaal also tells us that "the sympathy for Palestinians among Arab and Islamic people" is nearly almost absolute. Well, they haven't demonstrated that.
Netanyahu and Trump are not to be trusted. That is obvious, so why think that they can craft a peace agreement without input from the surrounding Arabic states.
The Arabic and Islamic peoples have to step up to support their brethren.