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Linda Slezak's avatar

The PA are very brave to do this and it's surprising that there has been no reporting on this from the BBC. Deadly weapons manufacture should become a crime as well as Nuclear weapons manufacture. If such weapons are banned, war would become much less deadly and not even worth the effort. Wouldn't that be nice.

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Thomas Reyer's avatar

Surprised about the BBC not reporting? That’s a funny statement, Linda.

Just to let you in on a little secret- the BBC is no longer what it used to be. It was never great but it was a lot better. That’s over with- Israel said so. Gotta pay the piper, I guess.

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Linda Slezak's avatar

I agree about the BBC. It has been disappointing, especially when they folded on Trumps law suit threat.

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Martin Krisko's avatar

In Rwanda motherfuckers killed around 800 000 people mostly with rusty machetes and clubs in 100 days... Your point is invalid.

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Those machetes weren't "rusty" e hoa, they were supplied by outside influencers, because Rwanda had no manufacturing.

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Martin Krisko's avatar

My point stands. We are just aggressive, emotional, territorial, slightly smarter monkeys (great apes) who have spent our entire existence massacring each other with whatever we could grab, fists, sticks, obsidian, arrows, swords, gunpowder, biological weapons, starvation, bullets, or nukes. History is nothing but one long list of ways we learned to kill more efficiently.

And the only thing that stopped large scale slaughter after WW2 was not the UN or other cheerleading institutions. It was nuclear weapons. Mutually assured destruction kept the great powers in check.

If Ukraine had not signed the Budapest Accords, there would be no war in Ukraine. And no one touches North Korea, even though it is one of the most fucked up states you can imagine, because they have nukes and everyone knows it.

It is not our good intentions that end conflicts for good, it is the potential of complete annihilation that stops us from what we all are.

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

It didn't stop the rogue state of the US, from dropping, atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Now the world has another rogue state, which is prepared to utilise its Samson option. Fascist states arent concerned about global annihilation, only being numero Uno. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Martin Krisko's avatar

It did not stop the US because there was no parity. Japan could not retaliate with the same force. And from a strict logical calculation, the US estimated that invading the Japanese islands would cost hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, with some internal projections going as high as 500,000 to 1,000,000 American casualties in the worst case. The purple hearts printed for that invasion are still being handed out today. The number of Japanese civilians who would have died in a full invasion would have been astronomically higher.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not even the biggest civilian atrocities in that theatre. The firebombing of Tokyo killed far more people. And before you start with human rights lectures, remember things like the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731 and their experiments.

In brutal arithmetic, nukes were the most humane way to end the war with the lowest overall casualties.

Every animal has self preservation hardwired. I recently saw a video of a baby elephant jumping on a hippo in the water. Normally hippos are extremely territorial and would destroy anything that enters their space. But it backed off, because there was a herd of elephants nearby. The hippo knew it could kill the baby instantly, but also knew it would die immediately after. That was basic incentive calculation. I have a very low view of humans and their behavior, but I still assume they are at least as smart as a hippo.

And honestly, what does “Palestine” have to do with any of this? I am talking about genes for self preservation, incentives, and human nature. Injecting that into the thread out of nowhere is just bizarre.

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

As is your response. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Linda Slezak's avatar

Your points are valid. What else can be done to deter war crimes?

Linda

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Robin Dunitz's avatar

Great article. Making and supplying weapons for genocide should be the crime. I consider Palestine Action as heroes. Thank you.

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Kenneth's avatar

I support the campaign for Palestinian rights. I oppose the genocide.

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George Leone's avatar

This piece makes clear what anyone paying attention already knows: standing up to the machinery of genocide isn’t a crime—it’s a moral imperative. Palestine Action’s actions, from targeting Elbit’s drone factories to peaceful public demonstrations, are aimed at stopping the production of weapons used to kill civilians in Gaza. That the UK government labels them ‘terrorists’ while turning a blind eye to the real violence exposes a shocking moral inversion. True justice would hold the makers and facilitators of mass violence accountable, not those trying to stop it

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

The UK government isn't "turning a blind eye to the real violence." It's actively supporting the genocide, of the Palestinian people in Gaza, with its "surveillance flights," out of Akrotiri, flying over Gaza and reporting target information to the zionist entity. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Don Dagenais's avatar

By that argument, you would be attacking the government of South Africa, one of the largest makers of land mines in the world. Up to 10,000 killed per year. Where is your outrage over that?

And to correct things, Hamas enjoys 93% support in Gaza. There are no" innocent civilians" there.

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George Leone's avatar

The statement that South Africa is one of the largest makers of landmines in the world is a lie in the current context. South Africa is a signatory to the Ottawa Treaty, which bans the use, stockpiling, production, and transfer of anti-personnel mines.

Here is a breakdown of the facts:

Ottawa Treaty: South Africa has signed and ratified the 1997 Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction (Ottawa Treaty), meaning it is legally bound not to produce landmines.

Historical Production: During the apartheid era, South Africa did produce landmines, and these mines were transferred to other conflict zones in Southern Africa, such as Angola and Mozambique, sometimes in contravention of U.N. sanctions.

Current Status: South Africa is no longer a landmine producer. The country is well-known for its vast mineral resources and is a leading global producer of materials like platinum group metals, chromium, and manganese, not weapons like landmines.

The claim is outdated and does not reflect South Africa's current international commitments and status.

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Don Dagenais's avatar

So I assume you never saw the promotional video Mandela made for South African made land mines. That would be post apartheid era.

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Pamela S. Murray's avatar

Thank-you for those facts on South Africa! Factual truth is the only way to combat the endless lies & half-truths undergirding Zionist propaganda/hasbara.

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George Leone's avatar

Absolutely—accuracy matters. By sharing verifiable facts and fostering critical thinking, we cut through misinformation and build genuine understanding. Thank you for being someone who stands firmly for truth.

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Civilians by implication, are innocent, because they haven't or don't serve in the military. The Hamas resistance movement is not an army. Unlike the zionist entity, where all zionists are required to do time in its military, the IOF. The exceptions being, those under eighteen and Orthodox Jews. After doing your "tour of duty," you are a reservist and can be called upon, at the whim of the regime to "do your bit." Therefore, there are very few civilians in the zionist entity.

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Don Dagenais's avatar

Not sure what point you are trying to promote. Yes, most if not all Israelis are in the military.

But your tyake on Hamas is dated. What you are grasping at may have been true with formal armies with uniforms etc.

But that went out the window when guerrilla warfare came into being. Hamas is the army, and the politics and the people. Hamas enjoys 93% support. They are fully embedded inside the civilian population.

Ergo...all bipeds inside Gaza are valid targets. Even the children, who are irreversibly taught to hate as soon as they can stand on two legs.

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dorothy P slater's avatar

Don't the Israelis also support the genocide by a large percentage and aren't they also embedded within the civilian population? Of course,we never hear any of that from our pro-Israeli media -

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markeycatherine0@gmail.com's avatar

If your country was occupied by an army which routinely kidnaps people and children and leaves them in prison without charge for years, brutally torturing them, removing organs and skin; bombs your airport and blockade your ports;controls everything coming in and out including food medicine and water; making people captive behind a wall with no independence- wouldn't you fight back? Or would you just accept all that as ok? What about the illegal settlements in the West Bank? Newly arrived settlers brutalise legal Palestinian villages, steal their livestock, destroy homes or just move into them all with the support of the police and IDF. Its disgusting and its been going on since the British decided to evict and kill Palestinians in the 1930s leading to the Nakba in 1948. Oh and by the way Netanyahu has been funding Hamas for years

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Don Dagenais's avatar

They lost their county in 1967. That sort of thing has been happening since time immemorial.

Remember, Tempe Mount - 1600 years ago. Jews lost that in a battle.

So now it's flipping again. Suck it up, butter cup.

Netanyahu has been funding Hamas because he had no choice. He has been keeping the Gaza sand monkeywenchs alive - til they bit the hand that fed them on Oct 7th!

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Countries have armies. Since the illegal zionist squatter project in occupied Palestine, isn't a country, it has the zionist occupation force, a militia group of conscripted terrorists.

Hamas is a resistance movement, opposing the illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip.

As a democratically elected representative of the Palestinian people in Gaza, it has the mandate to defend them.

Unlike the illegal occupiers of the zionist settler project, they're not forced to serve in the Hamas resistance movement. They are free to choose.

That freedom of choice is denied, the occupiers of the zionist entity, who are forced to serve in the zionist occupation force, a terrorist militia group.

I guess that's the difference between a democracy and a fascistic ethno state e hoa. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Don Dagenais's avatar

Palestine is part of Jordan and Syria, they have no legitimate claim to any of Gaza or the west bank. Sorry to break it to you.

Israel is governed by a coalition of political parties. Can't get much more democratic than that.

Again, why will no Arab county take in these hillbillies you love so much????

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

And be complicit, in the non-Semitic Ashkenazi zionist settler's ethnic cleansing project, of occupied Palestine.

Palestine accepted zionist "hillbillies" pre 1948 and look how it was repaid. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸

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Pamela S. Murray's avatar

Mr. Dagenais,

Intentional or not, the lies you're throwing out won't stick anymore, at least not with anyone aware of the long history of zionist colonization of Palestine & oppression of its native inhabitants, the Palestinians. It's past-time for apartheid Israel to account for its crimes including the well-documented genocide of the last 2 years.

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Zionist accusations are confessions, of what they teach and do to their own.

Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Don Dagenais's avatar

Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸, reminds me of ICE ICE Baby....

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Aue, Don's "seen the light" and is now in solidarity with free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 kā pai e hoa. Kia pai to rā.

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Clif Brown's avatar

"her efforts led to no substantive change"

As someone who has followed Israel in detail for 30 years, I would read detailed accounts of what that country was doing in the West Bank and Gaza in the publication Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that doggedly kept tabs on the reality of Zionism. All the facts were presented, the outrageousness of what Israel was doing quite obvious and yet, year after year, there was no substantive change.

I am now on the street daily with signs and a Palestinian flag that would undoubtedly get me arrested were I doing so in Britain. Visit my substack to see what has been happening. I have been doing this for 15 months with no end in sight. Public reaction is overwhelmingly positive. I am glad to say that freedom of speech does still exist in the US, provided you are retired with no job to be threatened and are not a student with that status to be threatened.

At long last, I am seeing change. Sad to say, it is the loss of tens of thousands of Palestinian lives, the leveling of everything in Gaza and the availability of countless videos showing the carnage that have made the difference. Is it possible that Netanyahu personally has sealed the fate of Zionism even as he struts about with a big grin thinking that he is facilitating the Zionist dream? His behavior along with that of the rank and file of the IDF only confirm that Zionism is a fanaticism as surely as was National Socialism. It may be true that the arc of history is long but bends toward justice, but I would add that it seems to get stuck in places.

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Mara Bryan's avatar

Of the 2,100 people SO FAR arrested for LIFT THE BAN actions since July, only around 60 have been charged. Approx 850 are RUI - released under investigation, and the rest are still on bail. Plea hearings for those charged are being held in batches of 20 - 25 on a given day, 5 people in the dock at a time. Some defendants have had charge notices for court appearance dates BEFORE the letters were received. Earliest trials are March 2026. Chaos in the judicial system.

BBC will not report any of it.

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Reynold R's avatar

Kudos to the PA people and others who stand up against genocide. Incidentally, today\s edition of the Chris Hedges report is about the latest report by Francesca Albanese. It says that about sixty one countries bear some responsibility for aiding the perpetrators. (See https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1988763749692694939/photo/1 ) Would that people in as many of those countries as possible emulate P.A

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Valerie Carter's avatar

More power to Palestine Action and their supporters. We all need to do all we can to stop arms shipments to Israel. Actually it should be a crime to manufacture weapons to kill people

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huey's avatar

I wonder how US weapons mfgs would like a stop to sending arms to Israel?

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Raoul Christensen's avatar

Ae, the successful lobbying of zionist compradors, within the US regime, by the profiteering military industrial complex, including technology and software corporates, has perpetuated the genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank.

The zionist entity, would have exhausted its supplies of weapons and armaments, early on, without the support of genocide Joe and trump. Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Ana Vallejo's avatar

Very good article. I also oppose genocide and support Palestine Action

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Safir Ahmed's avatar

First, kudos to PA for ensuring that no harm comes to human beings when they destroy property.

Second, property destruction is certainly a crime and PA activists arrested and charged with property destruction ought to expect it and be willing to pay the penalty.

Third, property destruction is not, legally speaking, "terrorism," especially when no human beings are harmed -- and the UN folks are correct to object to the PA activists, or their supporters, being labeled as "terrorists".

Fourth, the key question for the PA is what their "theory of change" is -- in other words, is property destruction likely to result in UK companies no longer serving the IDF and its needs? That seems unlikely, especially given people like Keir Starmer, who will never take up the Palestinian cause.

Fifth, and last, wouldn't the better target be the PM and Parliament -- using creative and non-violent means, like surrounding their homes in large numbers, organizing sit-ins at Parliament to gum up the machine, and so on -- with a demand that they ban all public and private support of Israel's government until the genocide and occupation of Gaza and he West Bank ends?

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Joe Hefferon's avatar

Interesting article. In the US the term Paddy Wagon, used in your report. "Crosland smiled as four cops carried him to the waiting paddy wagon." Was a derogatory term referencing the Irish immigrants often arrested, for fighting or just being Irish, in the early part of the last century.

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defineandredefine's avatar

I really appreciate this article. Thank you.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

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Don Dagenais's avatar

We live in a Bizarro world where PA crimes against Humanity are ignored and Wrong is Right.

The sleazy excuse given by this woman to justify her actions is the 1967 war. where palestinian proxy armies attempted to kill Israel and had their faeces ridden asses handed to them.

They lostIn a huge way and your daddy's land was forfeited. Get over it. There is a cost of being stupid! Force your proxies to take you in as reward for their stupidity and incompetence.

And now in this current war - clearly started and lost by Hamas, you whine because Gaza is going to be turned into a Trump vacation theme park, with Gaza dwellers working in menial jobs for the rest of their wretched lives.

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John alder's avatar

They just want to have Israel out of their hair, west bank borders jordan, let the Palestine have their country there

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