It's really quite fascinating, this opportunity to witness Trump and his lieutenants spinning events in realtime that are in fact quite easily refuted with a quick fact checking regimen. Their putting on one hell of a Kabuki theater, but eventually the show will come to an end. They can fool the investor class, the MAGA faction, and a healthy portion of uninformed Americans - but sooner rather than later, the natural consequences of this catastrophe will overtake the propaganda, forcing all stakeholders to choose between terminal delusion or sober reckoning.
The US and Israel initiated this disaster - unprovoked, for precise reasons not yet fully known. I know this for certain: everything Iran has done and continues to do - **in response** - to the obscene violence of the US and Israel, was and still is clearly conveyed well in advance by the Iranians. They have not broken their word. They have been forthright in their warnings of what to expect in retaliation for any given scenario. Iran is the victim here. And for a victim, Iran has been overwhelmingly measured, wise, and capable in their retaliation. Retaliation **is** their only means of self-defense. Any fair mind must conclude that if your existence is **truly** on the line, you will do what you must with what you have to ensure a favorable outcome.
'The US and Israel initiated this disaster - unprovoked, for precise reasons not yet fully known' I think it is quite clear what Israel's agenda is - wreck and destroy every country in the area, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran. Israel has never integrated into the area, preferring damage, land theft, death and ultimately genocide. I would recommend another path for Israel - choose cooperation, choose fraternity, choose life. It will offer better results in the end.
Essentially, there is only one single thing anyone reliably can count on. It is reliable as night following day. In a world where it is said that the only constant in the world is change, there is an exception.
The great constant is that Trump will always profit. And the amount of profit will scale with number of lies that come out of his mouth. He honed that skill cheating an entire generation of contractors in New York. From the 5 Boroughs to the entire globe.
If Trump did have a stroke it has definitely not impacted his ability to grift! That must come from the reptilian brain inside his head (not meant to offend any reptiles). As natural as day following night…
So the U.S. bombs first, pulls out of mediated talks, ignores Iran’s framework, and then goes on TV claiming Iran is “begging” to negotiate? That’s not negotiation—it’s PR. If anything, this reads like an attempt to manufacture consent for escalation while pretending diplomacy is being tried.
First of all, in a sane and somewhat just world, for any meaningful, credible negotiations with the U.S., there should be a third party or a couple of third parties that can hold the U.S. accountable in case the negotiations are a subterfuge for surprise aggression as was the case on the previous talks. Although for the life of me, I cannot think of a third party or parties that are credible, seasoned and sincere. The Europeans have lost much of their tattered authority and a facade of a moral high ground after their cooperation and/or complicity with the U.S. and Israel in the mass slaughter of Palestinians.
Additionally, the two U.S. negotiators should not be part of the negotiations as they represent Israel as much as they represent the United States. And they lack diplomatic credentials. Also, where are the people with experience in the field of diplomacy, nuclear weapons etc. but it was never really about the weapons, was it.
Finally, the U.S. and Israel have dropped bombs on Iran in 20,000 attacks, if one person died as a result of the 20,000 attacks, that’s 20,000 civilians. Although it could be high. And Iran is also not disclosing the real count of their casualties.
This is absolutely horrendous that a sovereign country can be attacked, carpet bombed without any accountability.
When all is said and done, a country is being destroyed under the pretense of democracy, women are being killed under the banner of feminism and freedom.
I hope all the regime hating Iranians dancing with joy in western capitals are silent now. Their democracy is literally falling from the sky..
Yes the regime was brutal, but so are many other regimes around the world, and theUS and the west are fine with them.
I wonder if there will be a discussion and condemnation one day about the president and his men who called the bombs and fighter jets beautiful, joked about the brutality of invasion, joked about those that they are killing.
I wonder just like the masked ICE agents, when will the guns turn on the people.
This is par for the course. You can't trust or believe anything that Trump or his adminstration say. We should all start calling him the fake president and the liar in chief. The GOP are very good at framing things so that they can pretend they are the opposite of what they say. For example, Citizens United does not unite the people but instead gives power to the elite privileged classes. The "Save Act" would not save America nor does MAGA stand for Making America Great Again but instead they try to destroy many of the best things about America. We have to start telling it like it is. Everytime Fake President Trump calls someone a demeaning name he is typically describing himself and we should all start saying so repeatedly. Once enough of us start doing these things everyone will have to accept that it is true because it is so painfully obvious.
The "America First" Trophy Mike Johnson just gave trump is irrefutable proof that he has his nose so far up Trump's rear-end, that if he sneezed, Trump would have a religious experience.
remember negotiations w USrael and hamas? whenever hamas had accepted all kinds of conditions, blinken kept claiming: “hamas are the ones blocking negotiations“. or: “hamas’ reaction remains outstanding“. utter, unabashed lies. this time around? this, that, and the other thing. or only the other thing. or neither, rather. or all of the above? none? - things would almost be laughable. if they weren’t so dead serious.
Norman Finkelstein likens Hamas' attack to the Nat Turner Rebellion, understandable and justified because they are trapped by a party that provides no resolution.
i find mr. finkelstein's reasoning convincing, actually. bc decades-long oppression causes the oppressed to rebel. int'l law allows occupied people to stand up against their occupiers. even violently. it also obliges an oppressor to retreat to his nat'l territory bc occupation must be temporary, not permanent. an occupier must make sure that not just his own people are treated well, but the oppressed are, too. sth that israeli apartheid never ever ensured. [military law, bombing campaigns, "grass mowing", rationing of water, electricity, calories etc.] ...
Ask yourself how many times you've ever seen Finkelstein or Chomsky were ever guests on discussion shows or interviewed? Unless you went to the alternate press, such as Counterpunch or Jacobin, my guess is never. So, the narrative is always about what the Palestinian did to the Israelis, their failure to be reasonable, their complicity is allowing terrorists to operate in their midst, etc. and NEVER about what happened to put the Palestinians in their situation and the horrors brought on them to create the state of Israel, sacrificed by European Christians for their sins of centuries of Jewish persecution that culminated in the sacrifice of Palestinians as a result of the Holocaust.
Maybe that's the real story that is being hidden, the perceived success by European Christian anti-Semites of driving out Jews after the fall of the Nazis. Regardless, the true history that includes what was done to the Palestinians to cause them to react rationally to their situation is NEVER discussed. Such is power.
@jeff: white supremacy does not want us to see what it does to the [worth_less, even ‘expendable’] non-white MAJORITY on earth - and i am glad to know foreign languages, so i do not have to rely on my country’s media alone, that either don’t or too often misrepresent historic facts, root causes for conflicts today, or mistakes “WE, the white people!“ made, for things, i.e. for power structures, to be the way they are today.
my EU country claims to have come to grips w its nazi past and has, esp. during recent years, proved time and time and time again: it has not! very much to my dismay.
I am amazed that we've made it this far. This narcissistic worldview that you discuss is even grander, it includes refusing to acknowledge the horrors that we bring on our nonhuman brethren through the holocaust that is the animal-based meat industry and our extractive economy that has been driving the Sixth Extinction that is far greater than that at the end of the Permian Era.
So, the white man prerogative will destroy us all because they are so entitled and could not care less about the pain and suffering that they cause because they were granted dominion by god.
i agree with you. and yes, it's amazing that we = in the global north, made it this far. ppl in the global south are much worse off bc of us [i.e. not us, but them], ruthless, reckless rogues who literally think they should " ... fill the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea ..." etc.. while i am still among those fortunate enough to live in the global north, i can only try to make people in my environment aware of what is really happening while we are so deeply entangled in the capitalist system that we can't really protect the environment the way we'd like to, even though we try - despite the HUGE war machine which kills & destroys everything.
still, we need to catch our breath now & then, while we still can: there was a survey conducted among 120,000 chimpanzees who all thoroughly doubt that humans are descended from them. :-)
It's difficult to see how any conflict involving the USA or Israel can end. Neither country adheres to any "agreement" it makes, so there's no point in signing an "agreement" with either of them.
"We negotiate with bombs" Hegseth is an actual fan of the Crusades. He invokes Biblical passages and Jesus when speaking of US military action. Trump’s Secretary of WAR called for US soldiers currently waging war against the people of Iran to be blessed with “overwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy.” He has crusader tattoos. What would Jesus think of bombing hospitals and schools ?
Yeah huey, but they are "begging" for talks, right ? Unless you watch Aljazeera, TYT.com or RT.com. We should get Hegseth a horse and a sword and let him lead the invasion !
No. I'm not sure we're surviving, now, huey. Hopefully some of this dictator like behavior will be quashed by the mid-terms even though I have no real faith in the Dems, either. Have you checked out my posts on my substack ? https://davcer.substack.com/publish/posts/published
"Tehran’s view is that it already has laid out its own framework for starting diplomatic negotiations."
Yep, Trump tore up Obama's agreement to what? Start his own negotiations and then attack Iran, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, similar to him hiring someone to do something and then refusing to pay them! What a dealmaker. Hang him.
Why is it never mentioned that Trump is NOT commander in chief until congress declares war?
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"
I agree with Iran. I would not and do not trust the current Trump "Lackies" to conduct any meaningful talks. Iran and Americans want and deserves skilled, informed, diplomates not money minded land grabbers.
It's really quite fascinating, this opportunity to witness Trump and his lieutenants spinning events in realtime that are in fact quite easily refuted with a quick fact checking regimen. Their putting on one hell of a Kabuki theater, but eventually the show will come to an end. They can fool the investor class, the MAGA faction, and a healthy portion of uninformed Americans - but sooner rather than later, the natural consequences of this catastrophe will overtake the propaganda, forcing all stakeholders to choose between terminal delusion or sober reckoning.
The US and Israel initiated this disaster - unprovoked, for precise reasons not yet fully known. I know this for certain: everything Iran has done and continues to do - **in response** - to the obscene violence of the US and Israel, was and still is clearly conveyed well in advance by the Iranians. They have not broken their word. They have been forthright in their warnings of what to expect in retaliation for any given scenario. Iran is the victim here. And for a victim, Iran has been overwhelmingly measured, wise, and capable in their retaliation. Retaliation **is** their only means of self-defense. Any fair mind must conclude that if your existence is **truly** on the line, you will do what you must with what you have to ensure a favorable outcome.
'The US and Israel initiated this disaster - unprovoked, for precise reasons not yet fully known' I think it is quite clear what Israel's agenda is - wreck and destroy every country in the area, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran. Israel has never integrated into the area, preferring damage, land theft, death and ultimately genocide. I would recommend another path for Israel - choose cooperation, choose fraternity, choose life. It will offer better results in the end.
Essentially, there is only one single thing anyone reliably can count on. It is reliable as night following day. In a world where it is said that the only constant in the world is change, there is an exception.
The great constant is that Trump will always profit. And the amount of profit will scale with number of lies that come out of his mouth. He honed that skill cheating an entire generation of contractors in New York. From the 5 Boroughs to the entire globe.
Oops, just thought of another constant. The unparalleled journalism from Drop Site News.
If Trump did have a stroke it has definitely not impacted his ability to grift! That must come from the reptilian brain inside his head (not meant to offend any reptiles). As natural as day following night…
So the U.S. bombs first, pulls out of mediated talks, ignores Iran’s framework, and then goes on TV claiming Iran is “begging” to negotiate? That’s not negotiation—it’s PR. If anything, this reads like an attempt to manufacture consent for escalation while pretending diplomacy is being tried.
First of all, in a sane and somewhat just world, for any meaningful, credible negotiations with the U.S., there should be a third party or a couple of third parties that can hold the U.S. accountable in case the negotiations are a subterfuge for surprise aggression as was the case on the previous talks. Although for the life of me, I cannot think of a third party or parties that are credible, seasoned and sincere. The Europeans have lost much of their tattered authority and a facade of a moral high ground after their cooperation and/or complicity with the U.S. and Israel in the mass slaughter of Palestinians.
Additionally, the two U.S. negotiators should not be part of the negotiations as they represent Israel as much as they represent the United States. And they lack diplomatic credentials. Also, where are the people with experience in the field of diplomacy, nuclear weapons etc. but it was never really about the weapons, was it.
Finally, the U.S. and Israel have dropped bombs on Iran in 20,000 attacks, if one person died as a result of the 20,000 attacks, that’s 20,000 civilians. Although it could be high. And Iran is also not disclosing the real count of their casualties.
This is absolutely horrendous that a sovereign country can be attacked, carpet bombed without any accountability.
When all is said and done, a country is being destroyed under the pretense of democracy, women are being killed under the banner of feminism and freedom.
I hope all the regime hating Iranians dancing with joy in western capitals are silent now. Their democracy is literally falling from the sky..
Yes the regime was brutal, but so are many other regimes around the world, and theUS and the west are fine with them.
I wonder if there will be a discussion and condemnation one day about the president and his men who called the bombs and fighter jets beautiful, joked about the brutality of invasion, joked about those that they are killing.
I wonder just like the masked ICE agents, when will the guns turn on the people.
This is par for the course. You can't trust or believe anything that Trump or his adminstration say. We should all start calling him the fake president and the liar in chief. The GOP are very good at framing things so that they can pretend they are the opposite of what they say. For example, Citizens United does not unite the people but instead gives power to the elite privileged classes. The "Save Act" would not save America nor does MAGA stand for Making America Great Again but instead they try to destroy many of the best things about America. We have to start telling it like it is. Everytime Fake President Trump calls someone a demeaning name he is typically describing himself and we should all start saying so repeatedly. Once enough of us start doing these things everyone will have to accept that it is true because it is so painfully obvious.
The "America First" Trophy Mike Johnson just gave trump is irrefutable proof that he has his nose so far up Trump's rear-end, that if he sneezed, Trump would have a religious experience.
Isn't Mike Johnson the single best example of why anyone in the religions camp ought to de-convert and become an atheist.
The atheists don't even want him.
But we are an ecumenical group, and turn no one away.
YUP!
Important context, about our genocidally-racist, bloodthirsty extremists:
https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/the-no-world-order
remember negotiations w USrael and hamas? whenever hamas had accepted all kinds of conditions, blinken kept claiming: “hamas are the ones blocking negotiations“. or: “hamas’ reaction remains outstanding“. utter, unabashed lies. this time around? this, that, and the other thing. or only the other thing. or neither, rather. or all of the above? none? - things would almost be laughable. if they weren’t so dead serious.
"the strait of trump"? how about a straitjacket?
Norman Finkelstein likens Hamas' attack to the Nat Turner Rebellion, understandable and justified because they are trapped by a party that provides no resolution.
i find mr. finkelstein's reasoning convincing, actually. bc decades-long oppression causes the oppressed to rebel. int'l law allows occupied people to stand up against their occupiers. even violently. it also obliges an oppressor to retreat to his nat'l territory bc occupation must be temporary, not permanent. an occupier must make sure that not just his own people are treated well, but the oppressed are, too. sth that israeli apartheid never ever ensured. [military law, bombing campaigns, "grass mowing", rationing of water, electricity, calories etc.] ...
Ask yourself how many times you've ever seen Finkelstein or Chomsky were ever guests on discussion shows or interviewed? Unless you went to the alternate press, such as Counterpunch or Jacobin, my guess is never. So, the narrative is always about what the Palestinian did to the Israelis, their failure to be reasonable, their complicity is allowing terrorists to operate in their midst, etc. and NEVER about what happened to put the Palestinians in their situation and the horrors brought on them to create the state of Israel, sacrificed by European Christians for their sins of centuries of Jewish persecution that culminated in the sacrifice of Palestinians as a result of the Holocaust.
Maybe that's the real story that is being hidden, the perceived success by European Christian anti-Semites of driving out Jews after the fall of the Nazis. Regardless, the true history that includes what was done to the Palestinians to cause them to react rationally to their situation is NEVER discussed. Such is power.
@jeff: white supremacy does not want us to see what it does to the [worth_less, even ‘expendable’] non-white MAJORITY on earth - and i am glad to know foreign languages, so i do not have to rely on my country’s media alone, that either don’t or too often misrepresent historic facts, root causes for conflicts today, or mistakes “WE, the white people!“ made, for things, i.e. for power structures, to be the way they are today.
my EU country claims to have come to grips w its nazi past and has, esp. during recent years, proved time and time and time again: it has not! very much to my dismay.
I am amazed that we've made it this far. This narcissistic worldview that you discuss is even grander, it includes refusing to acknowledge the horrors that we bring on our nonhuman brethren through the holocaust that is the animal-based meat industry and our extractive economy that has been driving the Sixth Extinction that is far greater than that at the end of the Permian Era.
So, the white man prerogative will destroy us all because they are so entitled and could not care less about the pain and suffering that they cause because they were granted dominion by god.
i agree with you. and yes, it's amazing that we = in the global north, made it this far. ppl in the global south are much worse off bc of us [i.e. not us, but them], ruthless, reckless rogues who literally think they should " ... fill the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea ..." etc.. while i am still among those fortunate enough to live in the global north, i can only try to make people in my environment aware of what is really happening while we are so deeply entangled in the capitalist system that we can't really protect the environment the way we'd like to, even though we try - despite the HUGE war machine which kills & destroys everything.
still, we need to catch our breath now & then, while we still can: there was a survey conducted among 120,000 chimpanzees who all thoroughly doubt that humans are descended from them. :-)
More power to Iran. The juvenile delinquents in the US and Israel administrations are finally suffering some consequences for their criminal behavior.
So thankful for your reporting
Glad to see your report, Jeremy.
It's difficult to see how any conflict involving the USA or Israel can end. Neither country adheres to any "agreement" it makes, so there's no point in signing an "agreement" with either of them.
"We negotiate with bombs" Hegseth is an actual fan of the Crusades. He invokes Biblical passages and Jesus when speaking of US military action. Trump’s Secretary of WAR called for US soldiers currently waging war against the people of Iran to be blessed with “overwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy.” He has crusader tattoos. What would Jesus think of bombing hospitals and schools ?
I kinda like the way Iran told Trump to go fk himself.
Yeah huey, but they are "begging" for talks, right ? Unless you watch Aljazeera, TYT.com or RT.com. We should get Hegseth a horse and a sword and let him lead the invasion !
Do you think we can survive 3 more years of this insanity?
No. I'm not sure we're surviving, now, huey. Hopefully some of this dictator like behavior will be quashed by the mid-terms even though I have no real faith in the Dems, either. Have you checked out my posts on my substack ? https://davcer.substack.com/publish/posts/published
You are right Dav as long as the government and the pressure points in the US are under Zionist control survival is questionable.
Hang Trump, the entire GOP and those Democrats who support them.
"Tehran’s view is that it already has laid out its own framework for starting diplomatic negotiations."
Yep, Trump tore up Obama's agreement to what? Start his own negotiations and then attack Iran, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, similar to him hiring someone to do something and then refusing to pay them! What a dealmaker. Hang him.
Why is it never mentioned that Trump is NOT commander in chief until congress declares war?
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"
I agree with Iran. I would not and do not trust the current Trump "Lackies" to conduct any meaningful talks. Iran and Americans want and deserves skilled, informed, diplomates not money minded land grabbers.
Boy, do you have it backwards. You need to do some research.