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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

And your point is what? It's always been like this so why bother to try and change things for the better? If you are right, then we die trying to make a better world. If you are wrong, then we die not having tried. It's a point, but not one I consider worth considering.

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My point is that this kind of reaction—"Oh my God, this is so unbelievably inhumane, I can’t comprehend it"—is honestly kind of retarded. If you’re over 30, you lived through the Rwandan genocide, where some lunatics imported boatloads of machetes, handed them out to everyday people, and those same people hunted down and hacked their neighbors, friends, and even family members to death. This wasn’t just a random event—it was systematic and horrifying. People were massacred not because of any personal conflict but simply due to their ethnic identity—often based on something as trivial as a surname. Imagine being told to butcher your friend or neighbor with a blunt machete simply because they were categorized as Tutsi.

And it didn’t stop there. Once the Tutsi forces returned, they launched their own retaliatory killings—what you might call a genocidal uno reverse card. It’s the kind of raw brutality that shakes people, but if you know anything about history and geopolitics, this isn’t an anomaly. These kinds of horrific events are built into the patterns of human conflict.

Look at army ants. They don’t fight all the time—most of their activity is peaceful and cooperative. They build, forage, and take care of their colony. But when war comes, they fight hard enough and often enough to be called "army ants." Humans are no different. We have peaceful moments, cooperation, and progress, but violence, territorial disputes, and power struggles are always just beneath the surface. It’s predictable, even if we don’t like to admit it.

So, no, this isn’t surprising or "unbelievable." It’s part of our nature. We might as well be called "army hominids."

Different animals, same patterns.

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Martin Krisko's avatar

When people call what’s happening in Gaza "unbelievably inhumane," it shows a lack of historical and global perspective. Don’t get me wrong—it is genocide by definition, and the suffering is tragic. But in terms of scale, it’s far from the worst atrocities humanity has inflicted on itself.

Take Dresden in 1945. Over the course of three days, around 25,000 civilians were killed in Allied bombings. In one night, the firebombing of Tokyo killed somewhere between 100,000 to 150,000 people, leaving a million homeless. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiped out around 200,000 people in an instant and through subsequent radiation exposure.

Even when it comes to population displacement, Gaza is not an exception. The Nakba of 1948 resulted in over 700,000 Palestinians being forced to flee their homes, with around 15,000 killed. Around the same time, the expulsion of Germans after WWII displaced 12 to 14 million people, leading to up to 2 million deaths from forced marches, starvation, and disease.

Later, we had horrors like Pol Pot’s Cambodia, where between 1.7 to 2 million people were executed, starved, or worked to death between 1975 and 1979. And in Rwanda in 1994, around 800,000 people were slaughtered in just 100 days, with neighbors turning on each other with machetes over ethnic identity.

Now let’s talk about more recent atrocities. In Ukraine, over 2,000 people die every day because a midget in heels with a Napoleon complex can’t handle losing power. The civil war in South Sudan has caused over 400,000 deaths since 2013 and continues to destabilize the region. Meanwhile, North Korea has been systematically starving its population, and in Tigray, thousands have been killed amidst widespread reports of mass killings and sexual violence.

This isn’t meant to downplay the tragedy in Gaza. It’s about perspective. Humanity has repeatedly committed atrocities, often on far larger scales. And ironically, despite these events, we are still living in the most peaceful period in recorded history. Maybe that’s something worth considering before declaring any single event the worst we've ever seen.

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