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Fred Jonas's avatar

It's increasingly difficult not to become antiSemitic (most Jews do not, to my knowledge, approve of this kind of behavior, and increasing numbers are leaving Israel out of disgust) and antiZionistic (Israel was established by the world community for what everyone considered an extremely good reason).

The task is to remember that the problem is almost entirely Netanyahu, but it's increasingly hard to remember that that's the problem.

I have a long time friend -- and she's a medical doctor! -- whose parents were harmed in the Holocaust (if you know anything about the offspring of people harmed in the Holocaust), and she, a lifelong American, is willing to assume that all Muslims and all Palestinians are terrible, and reared that way from birth (so there's no reason not to annihilate Palestinian newborns). She ignores the fact that the Holocaust was the project of Germans, not Muslims, and she is one of the people who make it hard to keep the focus where it should be.

Why people like Biden and Harris continue to promise "ironclad" (and unquestioning) support of Israel/Netanyahu, while they/he are on a genocidal rampage is inexplicable.

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Ben Sbarbaro's avatar

Over 70% of Israelis by some accounts support the Zionist assaults against the Palestinians as well as the appropriations of Palestinian land. The prosecutor in Harris must follow USA laws against arming genocidal armies.

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Fred Jonas's avatar

Very disheartening to hear. I hope that "some accounts" are wrong.

Biden didn't follow that law, and Harris she doesn't intend to, either. I keep hoping it's just campaign banter, but every minute she doesn't shut off the spigot, more Palestinians get killed, and their land gets seized.

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Ben Sbarbaro's avatar

73% Israeli support -- https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

maybe censorship inside Israel of the inhumanity plays a role?

Harris said the Gazan deaths and blown away body parts was horrific, but seems not to follow USA law against more weapons to Israel nor follow International Court of Justice orders for Israel and its weapon suppliers to prevent acts of genocide.

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Fred Jonas's avatar

Thank you!

A complicated Pew article to understand. First, it was a survey of only 1000 people. Second, they talked about the differences in approach among groups, but didn't address which groups they interviewed. Third, there's a dramatic divergence between how many survey subjects thought the US' role was about right or not aggressive enough (the 73% you quoted) and the percent who preferred a "diplomatic" solution (72%, which seems like the same percent who were content with the military solution). And fourth, although this is not a brand new survey, the number of Israelis who have left Israel is not factored in. Presumably, that erodes the 73%.

This report is six pages, and I only read page 1. So I'm not sure if the opinions would have gotten messier or tidier. But it's a survey of 1000 Israelis. Israelis do not get to dictate US foreign policy. To the extent that any of us disagree with what's happening, we disagree with Biden and Harris.

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Ben Sbarbaro's avatar

I read the 73% more about Israel's war efforts "39% of Israelis say Israel’s military response against Hamas in Gaza has been about right, while 34% say it has not gone far enough." Totally agree about the tail wagging the dog.

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Seva's avatar

I’ve often seen that reported on Breaking Points by Krystal and Saagar.

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