Israel is clearly motivated by fear and trauma. Never a stable foundation for any project and desdly in Israel's case. Israel is so deeply contracted into a horrible space I don't think it will long survive.
Israel is clearly motivated by fear and trauma. Never a stable foundation for any project and desdly in Israel's case. Israel is so deeply contracted into a horrible space I don't think it will long survive.
The Saudi peacenik for this B.S. is Mohammad bin Salman, the killer that had Jamal Khoshoggi butchered because he didn't like what the guy had to say. Bin Salman's also fond of locking up women for decades for things like wearing the wrong clothes or driving.
Trump and Biden don't have a problem with the guy, and we all saw Michael Moore's film with George Bush's arm around the bin laden family, another fine, upstanding Saudi family. And then there's the American-backed Israeli genocide. All of this amorality is oil-driven. And it will continue until and unless the people of the United States stop being willing participants in their own oppression, rebuild the republic and rid themselves of both oil and capitalism in its present form--and one other thing: rebuild education, an historically critical component of a free society. That's the reality based on the facts I see.
I don't think it can be about money. This sounds like an insanely expensive project (also complete unworkable, but whatever). Some Jewish supremacist ideology? Some religious fanaticism? Some greed for land? And some fear - I think oppressors often fear the people they oppress.
The evidence shows that for the dying people of Palestine, it's about ideology, but for the capitalists controlling the war, it's about money. First of all, destroying countries and building them back is highly lucrative for capitalist elites. In fact, war is used to boost economies. Once it's destroyed, building Palestine back as Israel will generate tremendous amounts of capital for elites. In this case, the vision is for an Israeli/Saudi/U.S. development project with Palestinians reduced to laborers--if anything. The report I cited above says there's $45B+ for Israel in immediate rewards to sign a "peace deal" with Saudi Arabia. Further information about Saudi/Israeli plans for Palestine is in Jeremy Scahill's Jul 9th report, including: "Netanyahu portrayed the full normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia as the linchpin of his vision for this “new” reality, one which would open the door to a “visionary corridor that will stretch across the Arabian Peninsula and Israel. It will connect India to Europe with maritime links, rail links, energy pipelines, fiber-optic cables” and "While Netanyahu’s vision for a new silk road through a Middle East without Palestine was certainly a concern . . . . "
The real ideological issue is for Palestinians isn't so much the Israeli murder of innocent people, it's the abandonment of Saudi Arabia of its Muslim brothers in Palestine: "The desired impact, he said, was likely to send a message to the Arab public about the complicity of their rulers in crushing Palestinian aspirations as they carved out agreements with Israel."
There's no question that the destruction of Palestinians and the theft of their land is about money. Saudi elites are selling out their Muslim brothers and letting them starve and be murdered against the wishes of the Saudi people. U.S. elites are supporting genocide against the wishes of the American people, and Jewish elites are committing genocide against the wishes of Jewish people all over the world. While the people of these countries who object to these atrocities have morals and political ideologies based on a set of values, capitalist elites don't have ideology. They don't have morals. Their morals begin and end with capital. Their ideology is money, period. They are supplying American bombs so Israel can blow up women and children to reduce the Palestinian population in pursuit of capital expansion. They don't care how they make their money. They live for nothing but the bottom line. The evidence is irrefutable: this is about capitalist elites pursuing capital expansion and obliterating everything that stands in the way because doing so is financially rewarding.
There is no way Saudi Arabia will sign, or continue in, any treaty with Israel, if they go full-bore into the restoring of the Third Temple project. Apparently Trump is massively supportive of this insane project. It may be that, if elected, he will be forced to choose, but which - is an open question.
the saudis would love to sign a treaty with israel. whether they can do so in the face of public opposition is the only question (much like our own country's support for this genocide).
They may love to, but, IMHO, if the Third Temple project begins, they would be overthrown in a heartbeat, and they know it. They could not withstand the public outrage.
or theyll slaughter any portion of their citizenry that dares oppose. wouldnt be the first time a US-backed arab leader does such a thing.
but i do have a feeling you're right on this one. the saudis have been very careful to appear neutral in everything going on lately. who would have thought in 2015, that today the saudis would refuse their airspace to anyone attacking the houthis lol.
Not money, nor fear, nor any of that. Land and religion. Zionists have always wanted the biblical borders or Eretz Israel without the nuisance of a Palestinian population there. That this goal has always required some mixture of ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide, is Zionism's original sin. And especially now with a growing population and cramped housing, the West Bank and Gaza make for some excellent Lebensraum.
Israel is clearly motivated by fear and trauma. Never a stable foundation for any project and desdly in Israel's case. Israel is so deeply contracted into a horrible space I don't think it will long survive.
Disagree. Israel is motivated by money, nothing else. And it will long survive with the help of American taxpayers and Saudi elites. Referring to the pending Saudi-Israeli-American embrace: ironic how ideology, including religion, melts away when there's money to be made. The pretext is "peace"; the reality is a land grab for money: https://www.ibanet.org/article/D2659617-4CAB-4FE9-8B60-A971485EC3D6#:~:text=The%20idea%20is%20that%20all,vast%2C%20oil%2Dgenerated%20coffers.
The Saudi peacenik for this B.S. is Mohammad bin Salman, the killer that had Jamal Khoshoggi butchered because he didn't like what the guy had to say. Bin Salman's also fond of locking up women for decades for things like wearing the wrong clothes or driving.
Trump and Biden don't have a problem with the guy, and we all saw Michael Moore's film with George Bush's arm around the bin laden family, another fine, upstanding Saudi family. And then there's the American-backed Israeli genocide. All of this amorality is oil-driven. And it will continue until and unless the people of the United States stop being willing participants in their own oppression, rebuild the republic and rid themselves of both oil and capitalism in its present form--and one other thing: rebuild education, an historically critical component of a free society. That's the reality based on the facts I see.
I don't think it can be about money. This sounds like an insanely expensive project (also complete unworkable, but whatever). Some Jewish supremacist ideology? Some religious fanaticism? Some greed for land? And some fear - I think oppressors often fear the people they oppress.
The evidence shows that for the dying people of Palestine, it's about ideology, but for the capitalists controlling the war, it's about money. First of all, destroying countries and building them back is highly lucrative for capitalist elites. In fact, war is used to boost economies. Once it's destroyed, building Palestine back as Israel will generate tremendous amounts of capital for elites. In this case, the vision is for an Israeli/Saudi/U.S. development project with Palestinians reduced to laborers--if anything. The report I cited above says there's $45B+ for Israel in immediate rewards to sign a "peace deal" with Saudi Arabia. Further information about Saudi/Israeli plans for Palestine is in Jeremy Scahill's Jul 9th report, including: "Netanyahu portrayed the full normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia as the linchpin of his vision for this “new” reality, one which would open the door to a “visionary corridor that will stretch across the Arabian Peninsula and Israel. It will connect India to Europe with maritime links, rail links, energy pipelines, fiber-optic cables” and "While Netanyahu’s vision for a new silk road through a Middle East without Palestine was certainly a concern . . . . "
The real ideological issue is for Palestinians isn't so much the Israeli murder of innocent people, it's the abandonment of Saudi Arabia of its Muslim brothers in Palestine: "The desired impact, he said, was likely to send a message to the Arab public about the complicity of their rulers in crushing Palestinian aspirations as they carved out agreements with Israel."
There's no question that the destruction of Palestinians and the theft of their land is about money. Saudi elites are selling out their Muslim brothers and letting them starve and be murdered against the wishes of the Saudi people. U.S. elites are supporting genocide against the wishes of the American people, and Jewish elites are committing genocide against the wishes of Jewish people all over the world. While the people of these countries who object to these atrocities have morals and political ideologies based on a set of values, capitalist elites don't have ideology. They don't have morals. Their morals begin and end with capital. Their ideology is money, period. They are supplying American bombs so Israel can blow up women and children to reduce the Palestinian population in pursuit of capital expansion. They don't care how they make their money. They live for nothing but the bottom line. The evidence is irrefutable: this is about capitalist elites pursuing capital expansion and obliterating everything that stands in the way because doing so is financially rewarding.
There is no way Saudi Arabia will sign, or continue in, any treaty with Israel, if they go full-bore into the restoring of the Third Temple project. Apparently Trump is massively supportive of this insane project. It may be that, if elected, he will be forced to choose, but which - is an open question.
the saudis would love to sign a treaty with israel. whether they can do so in the face of public opposition is the only question (much like our own country's support for this genocide).
They may love to, but, IMHO, if the Third Temple project begins, they would be overthrown in a heartbeat, and they know it. They could not withstand the public outrage.
or theyll slaughter any portion of their citizenry that dares oppose. wouldnt be the first time a US-backed arab leader does such a thing.
but i do have a feeling you're right on this one. the saudis have been very careful to appear neutral in everything going on lately. who would have thought in 2015, that today the saudis would refuse their airspace to anyone attacking the houthis lol.
My take is the convergence pf the three Ps:Power, Profits, and p/Prophets. Never a good mix, but in this case it may destroy us all.
Not money, nor fear, nor any of that. Land and religion. Zionists have always wanted the biblical borders or Eretz Israel without the nuisance of a Palestinian population there. That this goal has always required some mixture of ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide, is Zionism's original sin. And especially now with a growing population and cramped housing, the West Bank and Gaza make for some excellent Lebensraum.