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Seva, thank you for the reply. It was thoughtful, if angry.

I should tell you that I am a medical doctor, since you bring up medical schools. We had one weak African American student when I was in school, and the rest were very sharp. We had more weak Caucasian medical students than weak African American ones.

If you're concerned with "group quotas," does it bother you for how long the acceptable number of African Americans admitted to most medical schools was zero? Should we as a society -- the uniquely democratic USA, where "all men are created equal" -- feel guilty about that, even though we ourselves did not make those rules? "Those who don't know history..." And the Americans who are most avid about refusing to be exposed to references to things like slavery and racism are the most racist.

As for reparations, I myself don't think it's a good idea. First of all, there's not enough money in the world we could pay to compensate African Americans for what they were put through. Second, if we tried, most of them would lose it, as lottery winners and professional athletes, who don't know how to handle large sums of money, do. And third, we are continuing to mistreat African Americans. The answer is not to mistreat them, but pay them reparations. It's much more structural than that, and it's to stop mistreating them.

Instead of attaching links, please just say what you think is the salient point.

I don't know of anyone who knows what "Woke" means. No one is against Caucasians. But many people are against racists. If racists were black, and they victimized you, you'd be against them, too.

"Black history" is American history. There really isn't one without the other. Owning, overworking, and torturing African Americans was critical to many Americans. Half the country wanted to secede, and went to war, to avoid having to stop. Who do you think doesn't need to know about that?

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“I should tell you that I am a medical doctor, since you bring up medical schools.”

So you justify the dumbing down of medical schools by telling me that when you were in medical school the black students were smarter than the white students? This whole rotting farce of a country endlessly revolves around your Woke white leftist lie that AmeriKKKa is permeated with white racism aka “systemic racism” which is always everywhere at all times oppressing “people of color” in general and blacks in particular. I’m simply tired of hearing about how white devils like me are responsible for the black social dysfunction that’s destroying Chicago and so many other cities.

Shortly after Trump was elected in 2016 and the democrat’s “Resistance!” began I told a Mexican friend at work in Chicago, a Trump supporter who’s from Guerrero, one of Mexico’s poorest and most dangerous states, that the inability to transition to a new government after an election is a classic sign of a failed state. He actually shuddered as if a cold chill had just run down his spine. It was just so spontaneous as if he immediately understood the consequences of this. I never forgot his reaction to what I said. And we are far more polarized now than we even were then.

“It’s Getting a Little Civil War-y” Megyn Kelly on the Border Battle With Biden Admin Growing. (1 min)

Megyn Kelly. Mar 25, 2024

https://youtube.com/shorts/rJRQMF532xo?si=CS1-4DKpkcaxzokm

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Seva, I'm going to assume you're not a medical doctor. You'll correct me if I'm wrong.

It was you who claimed to believe that medical schools had been dumbed down, and you seem to claim to think the reason is that unqualified students are admitted. I have no idea from where you get this idea, but I will tell you that you are wrong.

I never said black students were smarter than Caucasian ones.

I don't know what kind of name Seva is, but it doesn't sound Americanized. If your recent heritage is not American (note that you have misspelled America), and if you think the United States is a "rotting farce of a country," you should give serious consideration to moving. There is probably some country that will feel more adaptive to you.

I told you I don't know of anyone who knows what "Woke" means, and you continue to use this invented word without explaining it. Please correct.

I'm sorry you're tired of hearing about systemic racism, but the fact that the mention of it is tiresome to you does not mean it is a vibrant and destructive force in this country.

It is entirely possible that "white devils like [you]" are a powerful contributing force to black social dysfunction, but even if you think you personally don't bear responsibility, you would be problematically myopic if you thought there wasn't systemic racism in this country.

Oh, so you have a Mexican work colleague and friend from a very poor and dangerous section, and this person is your friend, but you oppose immigration. Did you tell your friend to go back home to Mexico? If you had, you do understand that Trump would have agreed wholeheartedly. Your friend would have been scratching his head wondering how the person he supported would have deported him.

And you told your friend that "the inability to transition to a new government after an election is a classic sign of a failed state." Have you and your friend considered who mounted an insurrection to prevent just such a transfer?

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Seva's avatar

“It was you who claimed to believe that medical schools had been dumbed down,”

I posted an excerpt from a RCP article along with an excerpt that said that. How did you miss it?

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Fred Jonas's avatar

Oh, so you're just spewing other people's unsupported opinions. Not of interest.

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