I get where you’re coming from, but your analogy is still flawed. Saying the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism is simply not true—at least not in their early phase.
The NSDAP existed before Hitler joined, and in the early 1920s, it actually had a program with several clearly socialist elements. Just look at their 25-point program fro…
I get where you’re coming from, but your analogy is still flawed. Saying the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism is simply not true—at least not in their early phase.
The NSDAP existed before Hitler joined, and in the early 1920s, it actually had a program with several clearly socialist elements. Just look at their 25-point program from 1920—out of those, at least 7 points were openly socialist:
- State-guaranteed employment
- Abolition of unearned incomes
-Nationalization of trusts
-Profit-sharing in wholesale trade
-Expansion of welfare for the elderly
-Support for small businesses against big chains
-Land reform with expropriation without compensation
And this wasn’t just window dressing. There was a genuine internal faction—Gregor and Otto Strasser, for example—who pushed for strong social policies and anti-capitalist measures. Hitler later saw this as a threat, and in 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives, he eliminated the Strasser faction and aligned the party fully with militarist, nationalist, and business interests.
So yes, there was socialism in the early NSDAP, and pretending it was never there is just not historically accurate.
And in regard to your argument about indoctrination: If you’re pointing at Israeli schools as a sign of deep ideological conditioning, fair. But then what do we say about Hamas running Gaza schools for 18 years? Should we assume all Palestinians are indoctrinated because of that? It’s the same kind of reasoning, and it cuts both ways.
Indoctrination—mental castration—is a huge problem, but it exists on both sides. And that’s exactly why they’ll keep massacring each other… because “mah holy book.”
I get where you’re coming from, but your analogy is still flawed. Saying the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism is simply not true—at least not in their early phase.
The NSDAP existed before Hitler joined, and in the early 1920s, it actually had a program with several clearly socialist elements. Just look at their 25-point program from 1920—out of those, at least 7 points were openly socialist:
- State-guaranteed employment
- Abolition of unearned incomes
-Nationalization of trusts
-Profit-sharing in wholesale trade
-Expansion of welfare for the elderly
-Support for small businesses against big chains
-Land reform with expropriation without compensation
And this wasn’t just window dressing. There was a genuine internal faction—Gregor and Otto Strasser, for example—who pushed for strong social policies and anti-capitalist measures. Hitler later saw this as a threat, and in 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives, he eliminated the Strasser faction and aligned the party fully with militarist, nationalist, and business interests.
So yes, there was socialism in the early NSDAP, and pretending it was never there is just not historically accurate.
And in regard to your argument about indoctrination: If you’re pointing at Israeli schools as a sign of deep ideological conditioning, fair. But then what do we say about Hamas running Gaza schools for 18 years? Should we assume all Palestinians are indoctrinated because of that? It’s the same kind of reasoning, and it cuts both ways.
Indoctrination—mental castration—is a huge problem, but it exists on both sides. And that’s exactly why they’ll keep massacring each other… because “mah holy book.”