Won't work. This was tried through "Dem Enter" after we had a much stronger progressive force in 2016. The only way to get corporate Democrats (elephants in donkey suits, nothing more so don't fool yourself about this) is to withdraw your support for them completely and start building a real competitor without them in charge. Bernie got …
Won't work. This was tried through "Dem Enter" after we had a much stronger progressive force in 2016. The only way to get corporate Democrats (elephants in donkey suits, nothing more so don't fool yourself about this) is to withdraw your support for them completely and start building a real competitor without them in charge. Bernie got 46% of the delegates running an 18 month campaign. If the Democrats who joined him resigned to support a Progressive Democratic party, we would be bigger than the current Party in a VERY short time.
They could if the Democratic Party operated as a democracy. We both know that they do not, so trying to sheepdog people from straying from the fold is what we know does not work. This time, what used to be a party is now run by oligarchs who handed an election to a well-funded street gang. Best thing is to smash it and rebuild a party from scratch. Democrats' operatives are too corrupt to reform. They'll have their constituents doing the same, "voting for the lesser evil" EVERY election cycle. Their objective is to keep a ruling family of oligarchs firmly in control and smash the working class to prostrate helplessness to be easily controlled by their corporate sugar daddies. I'm leaving this "Party." I encourage others to do the same. Yes, we are now getting governed by MAGA. They could not have won without the DNC, and their "consultants." We have Trump because of Democratic Party operatives. You will not be able to sheep dog me back into the fold bleating "vote bluey no matter whooey." What a stupid choice for a mantra. It matters who. It always has. Everyone sees this but the partisan stooges.
Placing progressive power and aspirations under control of the oligarchs who control the Democratic Party through corporate Democrats is what has proven not to work. The party is controlled by Republican Lite. The massive vote for Trump was more a vote against the Democratic Party than against the candidates. It was a vote to blow it ALL up---two out of three of the last elections. You are trying to sheepdog readers into supporting this to continue to happen again and again forever. I will not support that. The 13 million Democrats who refused to continue to support it are those sick of supporting the likes of Wasserman Schultz and Henry Cuellar. That's enough to organize for a serious progressive party. AOC's district voted for Trump and voted for her in a landslide. Good luck with your supporting what the corporatists running both parties want. Your sheep-dogging us to support same-old-same-old pleases them.
Won't work. This was tried through "Dem Enter" after we had a much stronger progressive force in 2016. The only way to get corporate Democrats (elephants in donkey suits, nothing more so don't fool yourself about this) is to withdraw your support for them completely and start building a real competitor without them in charge. Bernie got 46% of the delegates running an 18 month campaign. If the Democrats who joined him resigned to support a Progressive Democratic party, we would be bigger than the current Party in a VERY short time.
That's what won't work. Split the Democrats and Progressives and you hand Republicans elections.
Progressives can take over the party if they get the votes, just as trump did to Republicans.
They could if the Democratic Party operated as a democracy. We both know that they do not, so trying to sheepdog people from straying from the fold is what we know does not work. This time, what used to be a party is now run by oligarchs who handed an election to a well-funded street gang. Best thing is to smash it and rebuild a party from scratch. Democrats' operatives are too corrupt to reform. They'll have their constituents doing the same, "voting for the lesser evil" EVERY election cycle. Their objective is to keep a ruling family of oligarchs firmly in control and smash the working class to prostrate helplessness to be easily controlled by their corporate sugar daddies. I'm leaving this "Party." I encourage others to do the same. Yes, we are now getting governed by MAGA. They could not have won without the DNC, and their "consultants." We have Trump because of Democratic Party operatives. You will not be able to sheep dog me back into the fold bleating "vote bluey no matter whooey." What a stupid choice for a mantra. It matters who. It always has. Everyone sees this but the partisan stooges.
https://newrepublic.com/article/188597/democrats-left-election-interest-groups?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tnr_weekly&vgo_ee=GTFL0AgqbqvFtFodyhqNWUcO1vD%2BPc0hJh7OnqGjgowSiIt54A%3D%3D%3AI2kyoVNPPD3oCoUmolXYMS5igLN%2FFk4u
Your views IMO endanger Progressive power. What would have been better last term, Republicans or Biden making some compromises with Progressives?
What would have been better is Bernie winning, but he wasn't able to in the party or out. So pick.
The problem with 'vote blue no matter who' is how much it's demanding Progressives vote for corporatist Democrats. It needs to go both ways.
25% of Hillary voters didn't even vote for Obama, she did not promise to endorse Bernie if nominated. Progressives need to take over the party.
Placing progressive power and aspirations under control of the oligarchs who control the Democratic Party through corporate Democrats is what has proven not to work. The party is controlled by Republican Lite. The massive vote for Trump was more a vote against the Democratic Party than against the candidates. It was a vote to blow it ALL up---two out of three of the last elections. You are trying to sheepdog readers into supporting this to continue to happen again and again forever. I will not support that. The 13 million Democrats who refused to continue to support it are those sick of supporting the likes of Wasserman Schultz and Henry Cuellar. That's enough to organize for a serious progressive party. AOC's district voted for Trump and voted for her in a landslide. Good luck with your supporting what the corporatists running both parties want. Your sheep-dogging us to support same-old-same-old pleases them.
Sorry you're not being rational and are being hostile. We both want Progressives so that's good but I'm not seeing discussion.
Craig. You are either a hired partisan stooge or just a nuisance. I'm done--go sheepdog someone who will fall for this nonsense.
Yes, after I ended the discussion you're welcome to do whatever. IMO you do more harm than good.