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Judith Dyer's avatar

Norman was the first I happened upon on Oct. 7. I'm a huge fan, as is everyone who hears him. I have read 2 of his books. Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy, David Levy, Max Blumenthal , ..Just a few who have been on to this situation for decades. They are called self hating Jews, but they know who they are.

Not a history buff, I have much to catch up on. the Middle East, it's a lot. I love Iran and am sick that they will be at war with us..all for that no good brat Israel.

It's like having a psychotic child who one just keeps supporting, no matter what, and will be taken down by it. Sucking our resources, ruining us in the eyes of our neighbors...destroying our values. Which it seems are on the way down anyway. With King God Trump in charge: forgetaboutit.

I am rooting for Muslims now, who I thought were kinda like terrorists...But, it's us! We are the terrorists!! I watched 9/11 from 2 miles north and frankly we did it to ourselves.

BTW: watch Muhmood AD on youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afo1rg1Z5DM

He knows everything and has a way of delivery that verges on comedy. Excellent speaker, every day.

All these independent journalists I support with donations. At 85, I am dumping money and the thing that is the most important to me is TRUTH.

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X K's avatar

You are well beyond me in self-education here. For certain, there's a lot of history to absorb, I shudder to think where we would be without Norman Finkelstein's debunking of Joan Peters' "From Time Immemorial" (should be retitled "Lies Dreamed Up") and the work of the courageous "New Historians" (e.g., Pappe', Shlaim) and journalists you reference. Without their work the lies upon which Israel is based would have substituted for the truth, in the Western world anyway. The rest of the world knows better, but have we been allowed to hear their voices?

Upping the ante with Iran is taking us further down the path to ruin, for the sake of Israel. They have inveigled their way too far into our government, our institutions, our society - and distorted each of them - that no degree of metaphorical surgical skill can separate these conjoined twins. With the perversions of our values, with the never-ending militarism, this has become true: "Israel 'R' US." I think we are witnessing the end of the American Experiment.

If it should ever come about, a just peace for Palestine would require not only that the "state" of Israel be dismantled (for the sake not only of the Palestinians and other peoples in the area, but for humankind as a whole) and the land returned to its rightful indigenous people, but that the Zionists be compelled to develop (using their own money, not US aid) a site encompassing the entirety of their now-former capital of Tel Aviv to establish, akin to The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin, The Memorial to the Murdered, Displaced, and Dehumanized People of Palestine.

Finally, "terrorist", as understood by past proto-fascists and present de facto ones, means any individual, group, or organization opposed to the American Empire and its acolytes.

Finally finally, I think you meant Muhmood OD, not AD? Thank you for the tip.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Right. But, I figured you would find him anyway. then I added the link. I just love that man. His breadth of vocabulary and even slang is so much fun. He is Palestinian. Not sure where he's living.

I don't think anyone can fix the Zionists, who are just Mega Jews. No one wants to say the obvious. It's verboten.

Did you read Atlantic Monthly March '24? The golden age of American Jews is ending.....https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/04/us-anti-semitism-jewish-american-safety/677469/

Jews who thrived and fit right in. All the while there were others, maybe the same ones, who were going to support that country over the USA. over anything... .......Really a dumb thing to do. But, oh well.

I recall those Never Again Memorials that NEVER acknowledged Cambodia..etc. Only Them.

It's like we are living in a monster movie. Who knew that the cute thing we were feeding would rise up and devour us???

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I don't subscribe to The Atlantic, so thanks for the link, and again, thanks for putting me on to Muhmood OD, good to add this perceptive voice to my "go to" sources.

Yes, a monster movie, and "devour" is the right word. Who knew? There were those who did, among them for certain the Arabs, but they were all stifled, ignored, or marginalized under the haughtiness of the Western imperium, craftily exploited by the Zionists, with their odious propaganda campaign. I can remember from my childhood the hearing about "plant a tree for Israel," not realizing until decades later the truth behind that fraud.

That "Never Again" expression? It's lost all meaning since the Israeli delirium unleashed after October 7th.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Norman did, Norman gave up 10 years ago. Ilan Pappe knew. Gideon Levy knew. Max knew and has devoted his life to it. 4 good Jews. I love these men. And, Mahmood.

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