You knew that when you voted for her so own it. I will vote for her rather than give my country over to a fascist regime. Voting third party or not voting at all will not help the Palestinians. I don’t believe that Harris will continue to provide the Israeli genocide tangible support. Our job as I see it is to get her in office and then put relentless pressure on her end US aid to Israel.
I don't hate her, per se. I just think she's weak, and she's afraid to be assertive.
I thought Sen Harris was amazing in her interrogation of SCOTUS nominees. She was focused, she was tough, and she was my first choice for president when she announced. Until the primary debates, when she turned off the focused and tough Harris, and replaced it with the cute little girl. She showed us some of her ability in her debate with Donnie, but she never recovered her confidence and the things that made her a prosecutor, an AG, and a Senator.
I don't hate her. I'm very disappointed. But, as you say, what's the alternative? Please stick with me here. The Nazi regime isn't Israel. It's Netanyahu, and all the past Israeli governments that didn't make a move when illegal settlements were erected, and Palestinians were attacked. Israel isn't worse than the British empire was, when "the sun never set on the British empire," and it isn't worse than the US, when we decided to "go west," and wipe out Native Americans. It's just that someone had to stop them and us, and no one did.
She HAS to say this sh*t...because , you know,: the Lobby !!! That lobby has all our politicians right by the balls and wrapped around their fingers and ....what else??
As far as the history of the British empire and the American Indians ..that was then...this is NOW. Plenty went on in the past, even the recent past, like pol pot, plus other wipe outs..... BUT, this in NOW...our US leaders knew what was happening in Israel...every country did and just let them get away with a genocide that started 70 years ago. BECAUSE, it was by those poor Jews who had suffered and died so horribly. Germany is psychotically supporting a genocide, due to, god knows, part guilt, part still having that genocidal blood running through their veins. This is the human race at it's worst. And, our government is fine with it. Begging please stop the killing....in small letters. THEN: Sending more 2000lbs bombs.
Yes, Israel is worse. Creating antisemitism, creating their own destruction. The eternal victims. Taking the USA down with them.
And that's our biggest problem: private money in politics. It's totally corrupting. I remember one day several months ago that Biden had the UN Ambassador block an otherwise unanimous call for a ceasefire, then go right to an AIPAC event. As long as we have private money and protracted campaigns, we're sunk.
I don't know how Germany is supporting this genocide. Maybe they are, and I just don't know about it.
Yeah, Joe reportedly says "Bibi, might you consider a ceasefire?" And Bibi says "First of all, go fuck yourself. And second, send us more weapons to wipe these people out." And Joe says "OK. Just a thought."
It is absolutely true that the Jews have made a millennia-long career of being the victims of one group or another. But I always think of the Lieber and Stoller song, "Charlie Brown," sung by the Coasters. It has a recurring line that goes "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?" The Jews never ask (themselves) that question.
I grew up Jewish (I gave it up), and this year, I went to a Passover dinner (Seder) that was focused on the Palestinians. That's the theme of Passover: remembering suffering, and vowing not to let that happen to anyone else. Few Jews remember the second part. But even if almost all of them did, the problem is Netanyahu. They need to get rid of him, like the Russians need to get rid of Putin.
I'd say we need to get rid of Biden, too, but I'm not remotely confident that Harris would be any better. Either she says she wouldn't, or she's playing those cards close to the vest for fear of upsetting those lobbyists you mentioned, and any pro-"Israel" voters she thinks are out there. But as I said, every week, and day, and hour, and minute she waits, Netanyahu wipes out more Palestinians.
The Jews and the American ppls are the problem. You all own the Palestine holocaust, you are both democracies so you Fred Jonas is personally responsible for the murdering in Gaza. Only ppl under a dictator share no blame. In a democracy you are responsible for the leaders you elect and their actions. That you can do little or nothing doesn't absolve you from the terrible guilt you should feel. Harris has more guilt and responsibility than you, but she can also do more. She could resign in protest. Let everybody resign who do nothing and make way for a real leader who stop this.
So you don't think it was the right thing for the world community to give the Jews a safe homeland after WWII? Or you don't think it should have the part of Palestine we now call Israel?
The problem with having chosen that area is that it was not barren. "Palestinians" (nomads, mostly) lived there, and 1M of them were displaced to make room for the "Israel" part. And at that, even though they were given the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, illegal settlements in those areas were erected, Palestinians were attacked, and no one stopped the Israelis who were encroaching.
Other areas, besides that part of Palestine were considered, but under heavy lobbying from Theodor Hertzl, the Israel part of Palestine was chosen. I don't have a huge complaint about that, and if the new Israelis were proud of their new home (were Zionists), and didn't bother the Palestinians, I think a lot of people wouldn't have any complaint.
It's also fair to say that a number of parts of the Middle East were carved up into new countries after WWI, and there was a great deal of resentment toward the "West," and that resentment got translated into antiZionism once there was an Israel.
Voted for her. No choice, given the alternative.
But, now I hate that b*tch!
She PLEDGED support of that disgusting Nazi regime Israel.
You knew that when you voted for her so own it. I will vote for her rather than give my country over to a fascist regime. Voting third party or not voting at all will not help the Palestinians. I don’t believe that Harris will continue to provide the Israeli genocide tangible support. Our job as I see it is to get her in office and then put relentless pressure on her end US aid to Israel.
Just like to remind you that Biden is a self-admitted zionist. The POTUS is a FACSIST!
I don't hate her, per se. I just think she's weak, and she's afraid to be assertive.
I thought Sen Harris was amazing in her interrogation of SCOTUS nominees. She was focused, she was tough, and she was my first choice for president when she announced. Until the primary debates, when she turned off the focused and tough Harris, and replaced it with the cute little girl. She showed us some of her ability in her debate with Donnie, but she never recovered her confidence and the things that made her a prosecutor, an AG, and a Senator.
I don't hate her. I'm very disappointed. But, as you say, what's the alternative? Please stick with me here. The Nazi regime isn't Israel. It's Netanyahu, and all the past Israeli governments that didn't make a move when illegal settlements were erected, and Palestinians were attacked. Israel isn't worse than the British empire was, when "the sun never set on the British empire," and it isn't worse than the US, when we decided to "go west," and wipe out Native Americans. It's just that someone had to stop them and us, and no one did.
She HAS to say this sh*t...because , you know,: the Lobby !!! That lobby has all our politicians right by the balls and wrapped around their fingers and ....what else??
As far as the history of the British empire and the American Indians ..that was then...this is NOW. Plenty went on in the past, even the recent past, like pol pot, plus other wipe outs..... BUT, this in NOW...our US leaders knew what was happening in Israel...every country did and just let them get away with a genocide that started 70 years ago. BECAUSE, it was by those poor Jews who had suffered and died so horribly. Germany is psychotically supporting a genocide, due to, god knows, part guilt, part still having that genocidal blood running through their veins. This is the human race at it's worst. And, our government is fine with it. Begging please stop the killing....in small letters. THEN: Sending more 2000lbs bombs.
Yes, Israel is worse. Creating antisemitism, creating their own destruction. The eternal victims. Taking the USA down with them.
And that's our biggest problem: private money in politics. It's totally corrupting. I remember one day several months ago that Biden had the UN Ambassador block an otherwise unanimous call for a ceasefire, then go right to an AIPAC event. As long as we have private money and protracted campaigns, we're sunk.
I don't know how Germany is supporting this genocide. Maybe they are, and I just don't know about it.
Yeah, Joe reportedly says "Bibi, might you consider a ceasefire?" And Bibi says "First of all, go fuck yourself. And second, send us more weapons to wipe these people out." And Joe says "OK. Just a thought."
It is absolutely true that the Jews have made a millennia-long career of being the victims of one group or another. But I always think of the Lieber and Stoller song, "Charlie Brown," sung by the Coasters. It has a recurring line that goes "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?" The Jews never ask (themselves) that question.
I grew up Jewish (I gave it up), and this year, I went to a Passover dinner (Seder) that was focused on the Palestinians. That's the theme of Passover: remembering suffering, and vowing not to let that happen to anyone else. Few Jews remember the second part. But even if almost all of them did, the problem is Netanyahu. They need to get rid of him, like the Russians need to get rid of Putin.
I'd say we need to get rid of Biden, too, but I'm not remotely confident that Harris would be any better. Either she says she wouldn't, or she's playing those cards close to the vest for fear of upsetting those lobbyists you mentioned, and any pro-"Israel" voters she thinks are out there. But as I said, every week, and day, and hour, and minute she waits, Netanyahu wipes out more Palestinians.
The Jews and the American ppls are the problem. You all own the Palestine holocaust, you are both democracies so you Fred Jonas is personally responsible for the murdering in Gaza. Only ppl under a dictator share no blame. In a democracy you are responsible for the leaders you elect and their actions. That you can do little or nothing doesn't absolve you from the terrible guilt you should feel. Harris has more guilt and responsibility than you, but she can also do more. She could resign in protest. Let everybody resign who do nothing and make way for a real leader who stop this.
No Fred, it's zionism!
So you don't think it was the right thing for the world community to give the Jews a safe homeland after WWII? Or you don't think it should have the part of Palestine we now call Israel?
The problem with having chosen that area is that it was not barren. "Palestinians" (nomads, mostly) lived there, and 1M of them were displaced to make room for the "Israel" part. And at that, even though they were given the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, illegal settlements in those areas were erected, Palestinians were attacked, and no one stopped the Israelis who were encroaching.
Other areas, besides that part of Palestine were considered, but under heavy lobbying from Theodor Hertzl, the Israel part of Palestine was chosen. I don't have a huge complaint about that, and if the new Israelis were proud of their new home (were Zionists), and didn't bother the Palestinians, I think a lot of people wouldn't have any complaint.
It's also fair to say that a number of parts of the Middle East were carved up into new countries after WWI, and there was a great deal of resentment toward the "West," and that resentment got translated into antiZionism once there was an Israel.