"Israel Nazis"? "Historical Nazis"? What are you even talking about? I get that “Nazi” is often just used as a substitute for “evil,” but that’s not what it actually means. Nazism was a specific ideology—racial supremacy, fascist authoritarianism, and industrial-scale genocide. Throwing that label at everything you hate doesn’t make your…
"Israel Nazis"? "Historical Nazis"? What are you even talking about? I get that “Nazi” is often just used as a substitute for “evil,” but that’s not what it actually means. Nazism was a specific ideology—racial supremacy, fascist authoritarianism, and industrial-scale genocide. Throwing that label at everything you hate doesn’t make your argument stronger, just less accurate.
The current Israeli government does show fascist tendencies—nationalism, centralization of power, religious justification for violence—but it’s not Nazism. And Israel as a whole is neither a fascist nor Nazi state. They’re absolutely doing evil shit, no argument there, but not in the national socialist way.
If you mean extreme Zionists, they resemble religious fundamentalists more than anything else. The kind of people who think divine destiny justifies anything. And you wouldn’t call Islamic extremists “Nazis,” right?
Let's not be willfully ignorant. We didn't try a few German people at Nuremberg because they were Nazis. We tried particular ones because they engaged in genocide and crimes against humanity. We didn't engage in WWII because Germany was governed by a particular party. We engaged in war because they invaded bordering nations, murdered civilians, and occupied other countries with the idea of owning them permanently. We surely didn't put an end to their government because the perpetrators were mostly Lutherans and Catholics, because any claim we were doing so would have been as stupid as asking someone shooting at your home: "Did you vote for Bernie Sanders?"
Israel is currently invading bordering nations, occupying them with the idea of owning them permanently, and committing a genocide. The world understands--again--that it cannot go on letting any government do that. If ours turns to doing that, then the rest of the world cannot afford to tolerate our government's continuing existence either. That's separate from whether Americans or their many religions have "a right to exist." Playing on jargon does not change the reality.
I actually agree with most of what you said—and honestly, I’m not sure why you threw in “willfully ignorant.” What’s actually willfully ignorant is using “Nazi” as a stand-in for “evil.” What I did was point out the difference and suggest a more accurate label.
Your argument would make sense if I were saying, “They’re not Nazis, so everything they’re doing is fine.” But I didn’t. What I said was: “Nazi” is the wrong term. Call it what it is—religious fundamentalism, nationalist authoritarianism, settler colonialism—whatever reflects the reality.
Dragging it into a vague, emotionally loaded historical comparison doesn’t clarify the situation—it just distorts it.
Martin, while the party was called the National Socialist Party the only socialism involved was the fact that the whole of society needed to be shaped the same way in the same direction in order to support the Fűhrer’s grand plan of dominating the world.
Israel might not go as far as the world but they sure as hell have done everything like the Nazis. Do you have any idea how totally indoctrinated children are from very young on? It’s purely to put the master plan into their head. Goebbels couldn’t have done a better job. At this time there is no difference between the state of Israel and the Nazis. The cruelty is the same.
Israel might have killed less people than the Germans- just give it enough time and you’ll be surprised. A nuclear bomb or two onto Iran. Overthrow Syria. Take Lebanon and Jordan while it’s at it. So, yeah, they might not have the "socialism “ in their name but they behave just like the Nazis.
I get where you’re coming from, but your analogy is still flawed. Saying the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism is simply not true—at least not in their early phase.
The NSDAP existed before Hitler joined, and in the early 1920s, it actually had a program with several clearly socialist elements. Just look at their 25-point program from 1920—out of those, at least 7 points were openly socialist:
- State-guaranteed employment
- Abolition of unearned incomes
-Nationalization of trusts
-Profit-sharing in wholesale trade
-Expansion of welfare for the elderly
-Support for small businesses against big chains
-Land reform with expropriation without compensation
And this wasn’t just window dressing. There was a genuine internal faction—Gregor and Otto Strasser, for example—who pushed for strong social policies and anti-capitalist measures. Hitler later saw this as a threat, and in 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives, he eliminated the Strasser faction and aligned the party fully with militarist, nationalist, and business interests.
So yes, there was socialism in the early NSDAP, and pretending it was never there is just not historically accurate.
And in regard to your argument about indoctrination: If you’re pointing at Israeli schools as a sign of deep ideological conditioning, fair. But then what do we say about Hamas running Gaza schools for 18 years? Should we assume all Palestinians are indoctrinated because of that? It’s the same kind of reasoning, and it cuts both ways.
Indoctrination—mental castration—is a huge problem, but it exists on both sides. And that’s exactly why they’ll keep massacring each other… because “mah holy book.”
"Israel Nazis"? "Historical Nazis"? What are you even talking about? I get that “Nazi” is often just used as a substitute for “evil,” but that’s not what it actually means. Nazism was a specific ideology—racial supremacy, fascist authoritarianism, and industrial-scale genocide. Throwing that label at everything you hate doesn’t make your argument stronger, just less accurate.
The current Israeli government does show fascist tendencies—nationalism, centralization of power, religious justification for violence—but it’s not Nazism. And Israel as a whole is neither a fascist nor Nazi state. They’re absolutely doing evil shit, no argument there, but not in the national socialist way.
If you mean extreme Zionists, they resemble religious fundamentalists more than anything else. The kind of people who think divine destiny justifies anything. And you wouldn’t call Islamic extremists “Nazis,” right?
Let's not be willfully ignorant. We didn't try a few German people at Nuremberg because they were Nazis. We tried particular ones because they engaged in genocide and crimes against humanity. We didn't engage in WWII because Germany was governed by a particular party. We engaged in war because they invaded bordering nations, murdered civilians, and occupied other countries with the idea of owning them permanently. We surely didn't put an end to their government because the perpetrators were mostly Lutherans and Catholics, because any claim we were doing so would have been as stupid as asking someone shooting at your home: "Did you vote for Bernie Sanders?"
Israel is currently invading bordering nations, occupying them with the idea of owning them permanently, and committing a genocide. The world understands--again--that it cannot go on letting any government do that. If ours turns to doing that, then the rest of the world cannot afford to tolerate our government's continuing existence either. That's separate from whether Americans or their many religions have "a right to exist." Playing on jargon does not change the reality.
I actually agree with most of what you said—and honestly, I’m not sure why you threw in “willfully ignorant.” What’s actually willfully ignorant is using “Nazi” as a stand-in for “evil.” What I did was point out the difference and suggest a more accurate label.
Your argument would make sense if I were saying, “They’re not Nazis, so everything they’re doing is fine.” But I didn’t. What I said was: “Nazi” is the wrong term. Call it what it is—religious fundamentalism, nationalist authoritarianism, settler colonialism—whatever reflects the reality.
Dragging it into a vague, emotionally loaded historical comparison doesn’t clarify the situation—it just distorts it.
Martin, while the party was called the National Socialist Party the only socialism involved was the fact that the whole of society needed to be shaped the same way in the same direction in order to support the Fűhrer’s grand plan of dominating the world.
Israel might not go as far as the world but they sure as hell have done everything like the Nazis. Do you have any idea how totally indoctrinated children are from very young on? It’s purely to put the master plan into their head. Goebbels couldn’t have done a better job. At this time there is no difference between the state of Israel and the Nazis. The cruelty is the same.
Israel might have killed less people than the Germans- just give it enough time and you’ll be surprised. A nuclear bomb or two onto Iran. Overthrow Syria. Take Lebanon and Jordan while it’s at it. So, yeah, they might not have the "socialism “ in their name but they behave just like the Nazis.
I get where you’re coming from, but your analogy is still flawed. Saying the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism is simply not true—at least not in their early phase.
The NSDAP existed before Hitler joined, and in the early 1920s, it actually had a program with several clearly socialist elements. Just look at their 25-point program from 1920—out of those, at least 7 points were openly socialist:
- State-guaranteed employment
- Abolition of unearned incomes
-Nationalization of trusts
-Profit-sharing in wholesale trade
-Expansion of welfare for the elderly
-Support for small businesses against big chains
-Land reform with expropriation without compensation
And this wasn’t just window dressing. There was a genuine internal faction—Gregor and Otto Strasser, for example—who pushed for strong social policies and anti-capitalist measures. Hitler later saw this as a threat, and in 1934 during the Night of the Long Knives, he eliminated the Strasser faction and aligned the party fully with militarist, nationalist, and business interests.
So yes, there was socialism in the early NSDAP, and pretending it was never there is just not historically accurate.
And in regard to your argument about indoctrination: If you’re pointing at Israeli schools as a sign of deep ideological conditioning, fair. But then what do we say about Hamas running Gaza schools for 18 years? Should we assume all Palestinians are indoctrinated because of that? It’s the same kind of reasoning, and it cuts both ways.
Indoctrination—mental castration—is a huge problem, but it exists on both sides. And that’s exactly why they’ll keep massacring each other… because “mah holy book.”