A glaring example broadcast to the world of just how much a regime can get away with. I always thought the Jews were intellectuals and wondered why there was antisemitism...we are beginning to understand ...a bit. It's in their religion the Torah and down deep inside them like the German inclination of Naziism.
A glaring example broadcast to the world of just how much a regime can get away with. I always thought the Jews were intellectuals and wondered why there was antisemitism...we are beginning to understand ...a bit. It's in their religion the Torah and down deep inside them like the German inclination of Naziism.
Yes, the Jews stand for the intellect, for scholarship, for education, for decency, for humanity, for culture, for what is life-affirming, and for more. But I draw a distinction. The Israelis and the Zionists (I see these as synonymous) are something wholly apart, the antithesis of what being Jewish stands for, cynically usurping and speciously expropriating all of those estimable qualities in order to camouflage, obfuscate, and propel their supremacist virulence on the innocent. They are not Jews, they are instead what they call others, "human animals."
What about American Jews who support Israel with their votes, money and apparently are now controlling our government? Are they good Americans or should we lump them with the Zionists, those "human animals"?
Why is our government going after all the Muslim countries surrounding Israel? Why are we now bombing civilians in Yemen when all they did , so far, is threaten shipping if Israel doesn't let donations into Gaza? These countries are giving up fortune and lives for Muslims of another country. Perhaps, now, we are seeing why there has been antisemitism for centuries.
As for American Jews, many do not care a whit about Israel; others I suspect have fallen for the same fabrications and mythologies and outright lies about Israel as has most of the Western world. And that includes the Israelis/Zionists themselves, who can't face historical truth and indulge in unhinged indoctrination in their own storytelling. For yet others, I suggest doing a You Tube search under "norman finkelstein jewish supremacy" for some worthwhile commentary and explanation. Also, it'd be worthwhile to delve into the history of Zionism and its principal figures, the background to the UN vote in 1947 to create Israel, as well as Truman's decision to recognize it. Many ardently opposed his doing so, foretelling what we have been seeing now for decades. This was also a cherished goal for the already existing Israel lobby, which has only magnified and solidified its influence since then.
Not to be forgotten, but too much to go into here, has been American (and British) interest in Middle East oil, and the incorporation of the British Empire into our burgeoning own at the end of World War II, with Israel conveniently serving as an outpost in that strategically important part of the world (Arabs peoples seeking democracy in their own countries be damned if they threaten the supply of oil).
The history of antisemitism is also too much to go into here, but to repeat, I draw a distinction between historic antisemitism and how it is expropriated by the Israelis/Zionists to excuse, rationalize, deflect from their treatment of the Palestinians (and Jordanians, the Lebanese, the Syrians, the Yemenis, and others). They have been quick and unceasing to invoke the holocaust of the European Jews to further their supremacist, aggrandizing, "can do no wrong" ends. In other words, antisemitism is not the same as anti-Zionism, despite the protestations of Israel. Witness the campaign to have the flawed and intellectually disingenuous International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism adopted by governments, universities, and others.
To add: I have 54 pages of notes on Israel, plus that region, in google docs. If called upon I could teach 2 semesters. Teaching is the best way to learn more.
Norman was the first I happened upon on Oct. 7. I'm a huge fan, as is everyone who hears him. I have read 2 of his books. Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy, David Levy, Max Blumenthal , ..Just a few who have been on to this situation for decades. They are called self hating Jews, but they know who they are.
Not a history buff, I have much to catch up on. the Middle East, it's a lot. I love Iran and am sick that they will be at war with us..all for that no good brat Israel.
It's like having a psychotic child who one just keeps supporting, no matter what, and will be taken down by it. Sucking our resources, ruining us in the eyes of our neighbors...destroying our values. Which it seems are on the way down anyway. With King God Trump in charge: forgetaboutit.
I am rooting for Muslims now, who I thought were kinda like terrorists...But, it's us! We are the terrorists!! I watched 9/11 from 2 miles north and frankly we did it to ourselves.
You are well beyond me in self-education here. For certain, there's a lot of history to absorb, I shudder to think where we would be without Norman Finkelstein's debunking of Joan Peters' "From Time Immemorial" (should be retitled "Lies Dreamed Up") and the work of the courageous "New Historians" (e.g., Pappe', Shlaim) and journalists you reference. Without their work the lies upon which Israel is based would have substituted for the truth, in the Western world anyway. The rest of the world knows better, but have we been allowed to hear their voices?
Upping the ante with Iran is taking us further down the path to ruin, for the sake of Israel. They have inveigled their way too far into our government, our institutions, our society - and distorted each of them - that no degree of metaphorical surgical skill can separate these conjoined twins. With the perversions of our values, with the never-ending militarism, this has become true: "Israel 'R' US." I think we are witnessing the end of the American Experiment.
If it should ever come about, a just peace for Palestine would require not only that the "state" of Israel be dismantled (for the sake not only of the Palestinians and other peoples in the area, but for humankind as a whole) and the land returned to its rightful indigenous people, but that the Zionists be compelled to develop (using their own money, not US aid) a site encompassing the entirety of their now-former capital of Tel Aviv to establish, akin to The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin, The Memorial to the Murdered, Displaced, and Dehumanized People of Palestine.
Finally, "terrorist", as understood by past proto-fascists and present de facto ones, means any individual, group, or organization opposed to the American Empire and its acolytes.
Finally finally, I think you meant Muhmood OD, not AD? Thank you for the tip.
Right. But, I figured you would find him anyway. then I added the link. I just love that man. His breadth of vocabulary and even slang is so much fun. He is Palestinian. Not sure where he's living.
I don't think anyone can fix the Zionists, who are just Mega Jews. No one wants to say the obvious. It's verboten.
Jews who thrived and fit right in. All the while there were others, maybe the same ones, who were going to support that country over the USA. over anything... .......Really a dumb thing to do. But, oh well.
I recall those Never Again Memorials that NEVER acknowledged Cambodia..etc. Only Them.
It's like we are living in a monster movie. Who knew that the cute thing we were feeding would rise up and devour us???
I don't subscribe to The Atlantic, so thanks for the link, and again, thanks for putting me on to Muhmood OD, good to add this perceptive voice to my "go to" sources.
Yes, a monster movie, and "devour" is the right word. Who knew? There were those who did, among them for certain the Arabs, but they were all stifled, ignored, or marginalized under the haughtiness of the Western imperium, craftily exploited by the Zionists, with their odious propaganda campaign. I can remember from my childhood the hearing about "plant a tree for Israel," not realizing until decades later the truth behind that fraud.
That "Never Again" expression? It's lost all meaning since the Israeli delirium unleashed after October 7th.
Norman did, Norman gave up 10 years ago. Ilan Pappe knew. Gideon Levy knew. Max knew and has devoted his life to it. 4 good Jews. I love these men. And, Mahmood.
A glaring example broadcast to the world of just how much a regime can get away with. I always thought the Jews were intellectuals and wondered why there was antisemitism...we are beginning to understand ...a bit. It's in their religion the Torah and down deep inside them like the German inclination of Naziism.
Yes, the Jews stand for the intellect, for scholarship, for education, for decency, for humanity, for culture, for what is life-affirming, and for more. But I draw a distinction. The Israelis and the Zionists (I see these as synonymous) are something wholly apart, the antithesis of what being Jewish stands for, cynically usurping and speciously expropriating all of those estimable qualities in order to camouflage, obfuscate, and propel their supremacist virulence on the innocent. They are not Jews, they are instead what they call others, "human animals."
I wondered for decades, why the antisemitism?
What about American Jews who support Israel with their votes, money and apparently are now controlling our government? Are they good Americans or should we lump them with the Zionists, those "human animals"?
Why is our government going after all the Muslim countries surrounding Israel? Why are we now bombing civilians in Yemen when all they did , so far, is threaten shipping if Israel doesn't let donations into Gaza? These countries are giving up fortune and lives for Muslims of another country. Perhaps, now, we are seeing why there has been antisemitism for centuries.
Yes itтАЩs not something that just happened
This attitude has been going on for centuries and is somehow the cause of the first holocaust
As for American Jews, many do not care a whit about Israel; others I suspect have fallen for the same fabrications and mythologies and outright lies about Israel as has most of the Western world. And that includes the Israelis/Zionists themselves, who can't face historical truth and indulge in unhinged indoctrination in their own storytelling. For yet others, I suggest doing a You Tube search under "norman finkelstein jewish supremacy" for some worthwhile commentary and explanation. Also, it'd be worthwhile to delve into the history of Zionism and its principal figures, the background to the UN vote in 1947 to create Israel, as well as Truman's decision to recognize it. Many ardently opposed his doing so, foretelling what we have been seeing now for decades. This was also a cherished goal for the already existing Israel lobby, which has only magnified and solidified its influence since then.
Not to be forgotten, but too much to go into here, has been American (and British) interest in Middle East oil, and the incorporation of the British Empire into our burgeoning own at the end of World War II, with Israel conveniently serving as an outpost in that strategically important part of the world (Arabs peoples seeking democracy in their own countries be damned if they threaten the supply of oil).
The history of antisemitism is also too much to go into here, but to repeat, I draw a distinction between historic antisemitism and how it is expropriated by the Israelis/Zionists to excuse, rationalize, deflect from their treatment of the Palestinians (and Jordanians, the Lebanese, the Syrians, the Yemenis, and others). They have been quick and unceasing to invoke the holocaust of the European Jews to further their supremacist, aggrandizing, "can do no wrong" ends. In other words, antisemitism is not the same as anti-Zionism, despite the protestations of Israel. Witness the campaign to have the flawed and intellectually disingenuous International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism adopted by governments, universities, and others.
To add: I have 54 pages of notes on Israel, plus that region, in google docs. If called upon I could teach 2 semesters. Teaching is the best way to learn more.
Norman was the first I happened upon on Oct. 7. I'm a huge fan, as is everyone who hears him. I have read 2 of his books. Ilan Pappe, Gideon Levy, David Levy, Max Blumenthal , ..Just a few who have been on to this situation for decades. They are called self hating Jews, but they know who they are.
Not a history buff, I have much to catch up on. the Middle East, it's a lot. I love Iran and am sick that they will be at war with us..all for that no good brat Israel.
It's like having a psychotic child who one just keeps supporting, no matter what, and will be taken down by it. Sucking our resources, ruining us in the eyes of our neighbors...destroying our values. Which it seems are on the way down anyway. With King God Trump in charge: forgetaboutit.
I am rooting for Muslims now, who I thought were kinda like terrorists...But, it's us! We are the terrorists!! I watched 9/11 from 2 miles north and frankly we did it to ourselves.
BTW: watch Muhmood AD on youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afo1rg1Z5DM
He knows everything and has a way of delivery that verges on comedy. Excellent speaker, every day.
All these independent journalists I support with donations. At 85, I am dumping money and the thing that is the most important to me is TRUTH.
You are well beyond me in self-education here. For certain, there's a lot of history to absorb, I shudder to think where we would be without Norman Finkelstein's debunking of Joan Peters' "From Time Immemorial" (should be retitled "Lies Dreamed Up") and the work of the courageous "New Historians" (e.g., Pappe', Shlaim) and journalists you reference. Without their work the lies upon which Israel is based would have substituted for the truth, in the Western world anyway. The rest of the world knows better, but have we been allowed to hear their voices?
Upping the ante with Iran is taking us further down the path to ruin, for the sake of Israel. They have inveigled their way too far into our government, our institutions, our society - and distorted each of them - that no degree of metaphorical surgical skill can separate these conjoined twins. With the perversions of our values, with the never-ending militarism, this has become true: "Israel 'R' US." I think we are witnessing the end of the American Experiment.
If it should ever come about, a just peace for Palestine would require not only that the "state" of Israel be dismantled (for the sake not only of the Palestinians and other peoples in the area, but for humankind as a whole) and the land returned to its rightful indigenous people, but that the Zionists be compelled to develop (using their own money, not US aid) a site encompassing the entirety of their now-former capital of Tel Aviv to establish, akin to The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin, The Memorial to the Murdered, Displaced, and Dehumanized People of Palestine.
Finally, "terrorist", as understood by past proto-fascists and present de facto ones, means any individual, group, or organization opposed to the American Empire and its acolytes.
Finally finally, I think you meant Muhmood OD, not AD? Thank you for the tip.
Right. But, I figured you would find him anyway. then I added the link. I just love that man. His breadth of vocabulary and even slang is so much fun. He is Palestinian. Not sure where he's living.
I don't think anyone can fix the Zionists, who are just Mega Jews. No one wants to say the obvious. It's verboten.
Did you read Atlantic Monthly March '24? The golden age of American Jews is ending.....https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/04/us-anti-semitism-jewish-american-safety/677469/
Jews who thrived and fit right in. All the while there were others, maybe the same ones, who were going to support that country over the USA. over anything... .......Really a dumb thing to do. But, oh well.
I recall those Never Again Memorials that NEVER acknowledged Cambodia..etc. Only Them.
It's like we are living in a monster movie. Who knew that the cute thing we were feeding would rise up and devour us???
I don't subscribe to The Atlantic, so thanks for the link, and again, thanks for putting me on to Muhmood OD, good to add this perceptive voice to my "go to" sources.
Yes, a monster movie, and "devour" is the right word. Who knew? There were those who did, among them for certain the Arabs, but they were all stifled, ignored, or marginalized under the haughtiness of the Western imperium, craftily exploited by the Zionists, with their odious propaganda campaign. I can remember from my childhood the hearing about "plant a tree for Israel," not realizing until decades later the truth behind that fraud.
That "Never Again" expression? It's lost all meaning since the Israeli delirium unleashed after October 7th.
Norman did, Norman gave up 10 years ago. Ilan Pappe knew. Gideon Levy knew. Max knew and has devoted his life to it. 4 good Jews. I love these men. And, Mahmood.