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Jeremy Scahill from DropSite News. And the breaking news is that as of 11.15 a.m. local time, the ceasefire and exchange of captives deal has taken hold between Hamas and the Palestinians of Gaza and Israel. And we are joined now by a member of Hamas's political bureau, a longtime political figure within the Hamas movement, Dr. Bassem Naim.
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EXCLUSIVE: Hamas Intends to Uphold Agreement, Senior Official Tells Drop Site in 30-Minute Interview

Basem Naim tells Drop Site Israel has failed to defeat Hamas and says Palestinians understand the risks of the Trump presidency

In an exclusive interview with Drop Site News, a senior Hamas official said that the group intends to uphold its side of the “ceasefire” deal—despite claims by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he received assurances from both President Joe Biden and President-elect Donald Trump that Israel can resume its war against Gaza after the first phase of the agreement.

“We are committed to this deal. We will exert the maximum efforts to give this deal a chance to succeed. We are looking for how to prevent the war again, how to protect our people. We will do the best to protect this deal,” said Dr. Basem Naim, a member of Hamas’s political bureau. “What kind of side deals they have done, this is their business. But what I can say here: the American administration led by Biden, we consider complicit—directly complicit—in the genocide.”

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In his speech announcing Israel’s acceptance of the deal late Saturday night, Netanyahu portrayed the agreement as a temporary one. “Both President Trump and President Biden have given full backing to Israel's right to return to the fighting if Israel reaches the conclusion that the second stage negotiations are ineffectual. I greatly appreciate this,” he said. “I also greatly appreciate President Trump's decision to lift the remaining restrictions on providing vital weapons and munitions to the State of Israel. If we need to go back to the fighting, we will do so in new ways and with great force.”

Naim said that Hamas’s armed wing, the Qassam Brigades, as well as other resistance groups, are prepared to resume fighting if Israel violates the agreement and continues its military attacks on the Gaza Strip. “We are not looking for a fight,” Naim said. “We are looking [at] how to protect the future of our children. If we can reach this politically or diplomatically or legally, yes, this is preferable. But if not, I think all Palestinians are still ready to continue this struggle. We believe that this is a just cause, a just struggle and we have all the guaranteed right by the international law to resist the occupation by all means, including armed resistance. What we are looking for is an independent state. If we can get it politically or through a UN Security Council resolution, this is the preferable way.”

Palestinian armed resistance fighters take part in a military parade in Deir el-Balah, Gaza on January 19, 2025. Photo by BASHAR TALEB/AFP via Getty Images.

Early Sunday morning, the Israeli government accused Hamas of delaying implementation of the ceasefire, which was scheduled to go into effect at 8:30 a.m. local time, saying the group had failed to hand over to Israel the names of the first three Israeli captives held in Gaza that would be released. Israel continued to attack Gaza throughout the morning. Eventually, Hamas handed the names of the three Israeli women it would release: Romi Gonen, Emily Damari, and Doron Steinbrecher. Naim said the delay was due to the ongoing Israeli attacks, which made coordination with Hamas’s forces inside Gaza difficult. According to the Israeli military, the women were transferred to the Red Cross in Gaza City’s Saraya Square shortly after 5pm local time. An Israeli official told Reuters the women were “in good health.”

Naim accused Israel of violating an agreement to cease its attacks on Gaza for 72 hours leading up to the first exchange of captives. “There was an agreement to give the parties 72 hours of calm without bombardment, without shooting, so that the people on the ground can prepare themselves and rearrange themselves, redeploy themselves and prepare the names and the captured Israelis who will be handed on the first day. This was agreed upon and accepted,” Naim said. “The Israelis in the government, they continued to discuss the agreement in their government and they didn't announce an official acceptance of the agreement until yesterday evening, which means that between their official acceptance and the starting of the implementation of the deal was only around 12 hours. Therefore it was not possible technically to hand over the names in the first hour. Netanyahu said, ‘Look, Hamas is delaying the deal. Hamas is spoiling, sabotaging the deal.’ It is not Hamas. We have agreed upon 72 hours. What they have given us is only two hours. You can imagine all this destruction, all the dangers. They have shot people even a few hours after the start of the ceasefire agreement.”

Once the names of the Israeli captives were handed over to mediators and Israel confirmed receipt, Israel announced the ceasefire would go into effect at 11:15 a.m. local time. At least 19 Palestinians were killed after the ceasefire was scheduled to take hold Sunday, according to Mahmoud Basal, the spokesperson for Gaza’s Civil Defense team. After the deal was officially announced on Wednesday evening, Israel escalated its bombing campaign across Gaza, killing more than 120 Palestinians, including 33 children. Many more are believed to be dead, but their bodies are still trapped under rubble.

“The occupation intensified its bombing in the first hours after the ceasefire was announced. Fifty airstrikes in less than 24 hours. They targeted shelters, homes, and tents of the displaced. More destruction, more blood,” Palestinian journalist Hossam Shabat wrote in a dispatch for Drop Site from Gaza City on Saturday night. “They targeted the al-Falah school; they bombed an entire residential block in Jabaliya; they killed families, like the Alloush family, whose bodies have not yet been recovered and still lie under and over the rubble. The children I saw that night appeared happy but they were no longer living, their faces frozen in a mix of smiles and blood.”

On Sunday morning after the temporary ceasefire officially went into effect, Palestinians in Gaza posted videos of uniformed Palestinian police returning to the streets. The Government Media Office in Gaza said thousands of Palestinian police officers have begun deploying in the streets “as part of a government plan to maintain security and order across various governorates.”

Palestinian Interior Ministry police officers start working in Gaza. Photo by Ali Jadallah/Anadolu via Getty Images.

Armed resistance fighters also drove through streets amid celebratory gunfire. In Deir al-Balah, in central Gaza, Drop Site correspondent Abubaker Abed reported that many people who were forcibly displaced into tent encampments had begun packing their belongings to begin the journey back to their own neighborhoods and cities. Many Palestinians are beginning a painful search for missing loved ones.

Israel is supposed to release 95 Palestinians on Sunday. According to the Israeli military, its special units would receive the three Israeli women from the Red Cross inside the Gaza Strip. The Israel Prison Service said in a statement on Friday that Israeli authorities, not the Red Cross, will transport Palestinian prisoners released as part of the deal to ensure “the terrorists do not deviate from the strict security guidelines and refrain from any expression of joy within Israeli territory.” Israeli forces have conducted multiple raids of the homes of Palestinians set to be freed, warning their families not to engage in public celebrations.

Under the terms of the three-phase agreement, Hamas will release 33 Israelis held in Gaza in the first phase, which lasts six weeks, in exchange for more than 1,900 Palestinians held in Israeli prisons and other facilities, including a significant number of women and children. Among the Palestinians slated for release in the first phase are 110 Palestinians serving life sentences.

Israel currently holds more than 10,400 Palestinians, including 320 children, arrested in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem in its prisons and other facilities. according to Palestinian prisoner rights group Addameer. While the number of prisoners from Gaza is not verified, Israeli authorities recently said they numbered 3,400 in response to a court filing. Israeli officials have said an estimated 1,000 Palestinians snatched in Gaza are being used as bargaining chips in the exchange deal.

Under the agreement, technical negotiations are set to begin on further exchange of captives as well as the pull back of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip no later than 16 days from now. The second phase—which Netanyahu indicated may never be implemented—envisions a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces. The third phase involves reconstruction in Gaza and the establishment of an authority to govern the Strip.

In Doha on Saturday night, Hamas hosted a meeting of several Palestinian factions, including Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the National Initiative, and the Palestinian People's Party, to discuss the exchange of captives with Israel and the future of the Strip. Notably absent from the meeting were representatives of Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority president, who has stated that his administration will assume “full responsibility” over Gaza.

Hamas hosted a meeting of Palestinian factions in Doha, Qatar on Sunday.

Hamas’s Naim said that he considers the ceasefire agreement an achievement for the Palestinian resistance, in part because it did not result in a surrender by Hamas and other factions. “We cannot say that we have defeated Israel as a superpower in the region,” Naim added. “But also, at the same time, we can say that the resistance was so steadfast, so committed that Israel was not able to defeat it. I think this is a good starting point for the next stage where Palestinians have to struggle for their political project, which is an independent, self sovereign state.”

Naim said that while Trump played a significant role in the timing of the ceasefire agreement and putting pressure on Netanyahu to sign a deal before his inauguration, Hamas is aware of indications Trump intends to reward Israel, potentially through support for Israel officially annexing the West Bank or to move forward with a normalization agreement.

“President-elect Trump had said, ‘I want to see an end to this war before inauguration day.’ But on the other side, we are worried about what he has promised Netanyahu on the other side, maybe to annex most of the West Bank, to go for normalization with Arab countries, because this cannot be done without stopping the war in Gaza,” Naim said. “Maybe all this together has pushed Netanyahu to go for a deal. But I am sure, based on what I have seen today and yesterday, Netanyahu and his group are trying to find any excuses to spoil and to sabotage the deal in the coming days.”

Asked whether Hamas stands by its decision to attack Israel on October 7 in light of the horrifying toll Israel’s genocide has taken on the Palestinian people, Naim said he considered Operation Al Aqsa Flood a defensive action. “If you have to choose between how to die—to die by lacking medicine or lacking of food, or to die with an Israeli rocket—we have chosen to stand up fighting for our dignity and freedom, to protect the future of our children and to die by rocket instead of dying silently, peacefully by lack of medicine,” he said. “We are not ready to be good victims. We are not ready to be silenced by anyone.”

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Tom Schwoegler's avatar

Even if you do not believe Dr. Basem Naim, the overwhelming point here is that you will not hear or see any of this in any main stream media outlet. This interview is an inditement of the limitless servitude paid to the Israel genocidal regime. One may be branded a pessimist for thinking that Israel will violate this agreement. However, a realist simply views the past 15 months (and last 48 hours) which bear witness to the lies from Netanyahu that will continue to increase. The pressing question is, what will Trump do then?

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Jazzme's avatar

Cease fire now!

Free Palestine!

Biden should be tried for his crimes along with Netanyahu at the Hague.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Do you realize that the Hague would also have to try many thousands of IDF soldiers?

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huey's avatar

Like the NAZIS they were only following orders.

ZIONISTS ..NAZIS.. different names different methods same criminals.

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Tom Schwoegler's avatar

The US should pay for the necessary expansion. It would be justice..

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Judith Dyer's avatar

The Hind Rajab Foundation is going after Israeli war criminals when they go to another country for "rest and relaxation"...then the Israelis rescue them out.

I just sent them $$$ again....good cause. and they have to have security...you can only guess why that is . like the Mafia, the Mossad will kill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_Rajab_Foundation

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Melanie Scofield's avatar

I do not have much hope that the ceasefire will hold, but it a start. Fingers and toes crossed.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Although I posted this idea separately, there are some things we can do. Briefly, This is Trump's deal, or at least he thinks it is. Let's make sure the deal makes him happy. He'll want to see it continue. Those opposed will complain, and he won't like that. Let's shower him with praise and thanks for this.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Yes! Maybe he has done something good and maybe he won't be talked out of it by the crazy Zionists and AIPAC forces.

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J. Rock's avatar

Judging by Trump's choices for the Secretary of Defense, Marco Rubio and ambassador to Israel, Mike (Jesus will only come back to greater Israel), Huckabee the welfare of Palestinians is not on the front burner. I would like to be pleasantly surprised.

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Linda Hagge's avatar

Amazing how much more rational and sane Hamas seems compared to some of the psychopaths in the Knesset.

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Benjamin's avatar

Bless you guys for this work. Invaluable

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Jazzme's avatar

Thanks for putting this interview on the internet.

Luv you all at Drop Site.

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Ron's avatar

This interview was outstanding as it provides the American public an opportunity to hear the Hamas point of view directly, without any distortions by the MSM. I found Dr. Naim's analysis of the Gaza war to be both logical and credible. I don't think Hamas should have done what they did on Oct. 7th, but I can fully understand their frustration and anger over the relentless, decades long oppression of the Palestinian people by Israel!

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Jeffrey S Medley's avatar

What exactly is Hamas or any of the Palestinians supposed to? Should they not have the right to fight back? If they should have the right to fight, then how should they engage Israel? Israel has always killed Palestinian civilians.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

October 7th was a suicide attack. Miraculously, the IDF were not there to kill them so it turned out differently.

And, the Palestinians had no other choice but to do something violent. Peaceful demonstrations resulted it the slaughter of demonstrators. Palestinians have never had world support until now. Let's hope something better for them comes out of this.

Given what we know about the Israelis, it's highly unlikely.

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J. Rock's avatar

I can't help but thinking there must be a better way to do things. The whole strategy of attacking Israel in such an horrific way to spark a backlash so brutal that Israel will be embarrassed into making concessions seems, well, perhaps not the best.

I also wonder how "miraculous" it was that the IDF were not strong in that area. Kibbutzniks tend to be left-leaning and a lot of the people Hamas slaughtered at the music festival we're sure not supporters of the Israeli right. Somebody explained it to me this way: how upset would Trump/Republicans be if some rogue Venezuelans shot up Coachella? That might be why the Israeli government didn't seem very concerned about getting the hostages back.

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Every Israeli citizen, every Jew in the USA or anywhere, any citizen of a country sending bombs or $ to Israeli is complicit. double for any Zionist.

Any Jew in the USA that says Not in MY Name or I don't like it...they have to do more. I don't know what but MUCH more. Convert to Islam. Send money to causes that support Palestinians...send money to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_Rajab_Foundation that is working to prosecute these criminals .

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Judith Dyer's avatar

Right. but, the Palestinians had tried other ways. nothing worked. Only more Mowing of the Lawn...IE: sharp-shot disabled, children, whatevers.

It's not just Oct 7, it's that israelis have been taught from the cradle that those people are filthy rats and don't deserve to live. How shocking that they could do an oct.7!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

There are some things we can do to try and change the likely outcome that Israel will not complete all the ceasefire phases. This is Trump's deal. If the deal makes him happy, he'll want to see it continue. If he gets more good feelings from those supporting the ceasefire, than those who are unhappy with it, we can pretty much count on which side a narcissist will favor.

We need to encourage an on-going campaign to send his praise, and "thank yous" to Trump, on Inauguration Day and every day thereafter. Let him feel the love. He may decide he likes it. We owe it to Gaza, to humanity, and even possibly to Trump, to give it our best try.

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Jill G's avatar

This was an amazing interview. Thank you thank you drop site news for your tireless search for the truth. This is seriously one of the best pieces of journalism I’ve come across in months and months on this topic.

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huey's avatar

Thank you Mr. Scahill for this interview with Dr. Naim from Hamas.

My continued disgust with the Biden administrations complicity in

the Genocide of the Palestinian people is really depressing.

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Rob Wheeler's avatar

Thank you again for a most informative and helpful article Jeremy, Basem Naim, and all.

I have been a peace activist and organizer for 50 years and a UN NGO representative for the past 25. I have followed the situation in Palestine and Israel for at least 40 years. And I have read most of the UN General Assembly and Security Council Resolutions and declarations and those of other Arab, Muslim, and Middle East actors since the Oct 7 crisis began.

I am working on the development of a proposal calling on the international community and supportive states of the Palestinian people to do what is necessary to really secure peace and security in the region. It includes recommendations for replacing the Israeli troops with international peace keepers, the steps needed to implement the September UNGA resolution, and to provide asylum for Hamas fighters leaders and their families that are willing to leave Gaza in exchange for the negotiation and implementation of the Phase 2 and 3 agreements along with the steps needed to truly implement the Two State Solution.

If you would be willing to help with either the development, promotion and advocacy effort to support the proposal please contact RobWheeler22@gmail.com

Thank you

Rob Wheeler

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Isabelle Kay's avatar

I'm going to share this with a friend who worked on a very detailed plan that perhaps will complement your efforts.

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sandrajensen3@gmail.com's avatar

Thank you, Jeremy, for this interview!

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Tom Alfera's avatar

I marvel at the capacity of any and all Palestinians to retain their humanity after so much death and destruction and oppression. Genocide Joe and Israeli warmongers should be tried for war crimes. Obviously.

I would like to read more reporting about the numbers of IDF soldiers who cannot/will not fight any longer. Is there internal resistance in Israel? Are Israeli citizens divided over the naked aggression against Palestinians? Dr. Naim says 90% of Palestinians agree with Hamas' methods. Is the same true in Israel?

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Jeffery John Higgs's avatar

It seems to me that everyone in the West who opposes Palestinian resistance would like now to be living under Nazi repression and occupation...their children snatched in the night etc etc.

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esti marpet's avatar

Dr. Naim presents an excellent case, until the end. i don't think anyone asked Palestinians in Gaza if they prefer to die by a rocket as opposed to starvation. conditions in Gaza under Israeli control were terrible, but was hunger really as universal in the strip? i am not sure Gaza Palestinians would agree they preferred the rockets and a complete destruction of their society. this was a response to Jeremy's question about the justification for Oct 7 attack.

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Joann applewhite's avatar

Excellent as always

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